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The Ghostwriter Helping Leaders Amplify Their Story (with Timothy Flemming JR., Minister and Founder of the Kingdom Launchpad)

• Jennifer Loehding • Season 8 • Episode 114

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What if the story you’re afraid to tell is the very one someone else needs to hear to heal, grow, or take action? In this powerful episode of the Starter Girlz Podcast, host Jennifer Loehding sits down with Timothy Flemming Jr., minister, author, publisher, and founder of Kingdom Launchpad, to uncover how storytelling can transform a simple manuscript into a life-changing movement.

Timothy has helped hundreds of leaders, ministers, coaches, and entrepreneurs move from idea to published book, and in this conversation, he shares insights on what makes stories connect and create impact.

In this episode, we explore:
✅ Insights on turning personal testimony into an impactful story
✅ Why vulnerability is the bridge between author and reader
✅ Discussions on what makes storytelling engaging
✅ Overcoming imposter syndrome, perfectionism, and burnout
✅ How faith, ministry, and personal experiences shape powerful narratives
✅ Reflections on how authors can begin sharing their story, even if they feel stuck

Timothy also shares deeply personal insights, including a health scare that forced him to rethink hustle culture and rebuild from a place of healed identity rather than exhaustion.

This episode is for anyone who:
✔ Wants inspiration to share their personal story
✔ Leads others and wants to understand the power of storytelling
✔ Faces self-doubt, fear of visibility, or “never enough” thinking
✔ Is curious about how faith, personal experience, and storytelling intersect

This episode will give you clarity, courage, and practical tools to start messy, lead with heart, and trust that your most vulnerable chapter could become someone else’s breakthrough.

Takeaways You’ll Gain
✔️ Insights on what makes stories resonate with readers
✔️ Why vulnerability creates connection, not weakness
✔️ Lessons from Timothy’s journey overcoming self-doubt and burnout
✔️ Reflections on integrating faith, personal experience, and storytelling
✔️ Perspective on building impact and influence through sharing your story

If this conversation inspires you, subscribe to the Starter Girlz Podcast for more powerful discussions on personal growth, purpose, faith, entrepreneurship, and storytelling.

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🌐 Timothy Flemming Jr. Website: https://www.timothyflemmingjr.com
📚 Publishing Company: https://www.tandjpublishers.com

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Jennifer Loehding:

Welcome to the Starter Girlz Podcast, your ultimate source of inspiration and empowerment. We're here to help women succeed in every area of their lives, career, money, relationships, and health and wellbeing, while celebrating the remarkable journeys of individuals from all walks of life who've achieved amazing things. Whether you're looking to supercharge your career, build financial independence, nurture meaningful relationships, or enhance your overall wellbeing, the Starter Girlz Podcast is here to guide you. Join us as we explore the journeys of those who dare to dream big and achieve greatness. I'm your host, Jennifer Loehding, and welcome to this episode. Welcome to another episode of The Starter Girlz Podcast. I'm your host, Jennifer Loehding, and wherever you are tuning in today. We are so glad to have you. All right, so my listeners out there who has ever thought of writing a book, but maybe you got stuck wondering what comes next. Fear, self-doubt, not knowing how to turn your story into impact. And this happens, I think, to a lot of us. And what's gonna be fun today is that my guest is great at this, and so we're gonna have a fun conversation. I'm so excited to chat with him. It's the first time we're meeting is today on this episode. But before I bring him on here, I do wanna do a quick shout out to our sponsor. This episode is brought to you by Walt Mills Productions. Need to add excitement to your YouTube videos or some expert hands for editing. Look no further. Walt Mills is the solution you've been searching for. Walt is not only your go-to guy for spicing up content. He's the force behind a thriving film production company with numerous titles in the pipeline. Always on the lookout for raw talent. Walt is eager to collaborate on film and internet productions with a background deeply rooted in entertainment and promotion. Walt Mills leverages years of skills to give you the spotlight you deserve. Want to learn more about Walt and his work? Head on over to Walt mills productions.net and let your content shine. All right, and with that, I do wanna make a mention to head on over to starter Girlz.com. I tell you this every single week. Why do I say that one? Because if you've missed an episode, it's a great place to catch up on one. It's also a great place to sign up for our community newsletter, and then you can stay in the know and you'll never miss an episode. And lastly, if you are an aspiring entrepreneur creator, maybe you're in the thick of it. I don't know where you're at right now, and you wanna learn what your number one success, or excuse me, your number one success block is, that may be hindering your success. Well, guess what? I've got you covered. There's a two minute quiz you can take over there and it will help you identify one of six blocks that may be keeping you stuck right now and keeping you from writing that book. And so, uh, be sure to head on over to starter Girlz.com and as I always say, do your thing. Alright, well it's time to get our guest on the show today. And so my guest today, Timothy Flemming, Jr. He has spent over a decade helping hundreds of authors publish their books and turn them into coaching programs, digital offers and thriving businesses. As the founder of the Kingdom Launchpad, Timothy equips Christian and self-help authors to overcome mindset blocks and strategic hurdles so they can step fully into their calling and make a lasting impact. So Timothy, welcome to the show. We are so glad to have you here today.

Timothy Flemming JR:

Awesome, awesome. I'm so excited about being here.

Jennifer Loehding:

This is gonna be so much fun. And as I'm talking, it's so funny and so are, you know, the listeners don't know all the things we have to go through when we do these podcasts. Every now and then, I let them in on a little something. And so it's so funny 'cause I was telling, you know, you Timothy, that I have my notes sitting over here. So I had my little note like covering the screen and I'm like, dang it. I can't see his face. Like, I'm having a hard time here. So I had to like move it over so I could see you again. But my bio was like stretching out and I'm like, I need the full width here. So, um, the things we go through to make, to make all this fabulous content. Right.

Timothy Flemming JR:

Awesome.

Jennifer Loehding:

So fun stuff. All right Timothy, so we're gonna talk about you today, like what you're doing, what you've got going on. 'cause I'm interested to know kind of some of your strategies and what, how you've helped your, you know, these authors and, and, and in your world. And so your journey, I mean, it spans ministry, publishing, entrepreneurship. I wanna know what, how did this evolve? Like what led you to wanting to help authors do this and step into their calling?

Timothy Flemming JR:

Awesome. Uh, so I've been working with authors. I started really in 2010, to be honest with you. That's when I, uh, launched my business, TNJ Publishers Book Publishing. Um, and you know, I've been doing this since 2010, but I've always been a writer. I've always loved writing. I've been writing since as old as I can remember. I remember being a little kid in my dad's, uh, office, you know, at, at home, just sitting at the typewriter. A lot of people remember what those are. Yeah. Uh, sitting at the typewriter, just just thinking to myself, I need to write something. I don't even know what to write. I just need to write something. So writing has always been in me. Uh, it's always been this creative expression, something that has helped me therapeutically and in other ways, and I. At some point just decided I would take this gift of mine and use it to help other people, uh, help them share their stories, help them to connect with other people, make an impact in the lives of other people. And that's when I launched my, uh, business in 2010, uh, TNJ publishers to just help other people who had interesting stories, books that they needed to get out. Um. And share with the world. And I just launched my business so that I could help them launch their voices. And it just began to grow and take on a life of its own from there. And one of the things that I discovered also in the process of helping people to write and publish their books is that many of these people, they had readers who had deeper needs. So people would read the books and say, okay, the book was great, what's next? And then we had to kind of take it to the next level and say, okay, well let's start creating some other products, you know, courses, online courses and things like that, uh, to give people a deeper experience. So it just kind of evolved, uh, from that, that one need of helping individuals to articulate their stories, put it in book form, and then reach the people that they are called to reach. And it just became a beautiful thing from there.

Jennifer Loehding:

Got you. Well, I think it's interesting too that, you know, like you said, that you always like to write and stuff because I think that, you know, it, that's such a good thing, by the way, because I think so often we don't take time to do that. And it makes me think about, you know, like when we were in school, so backup about the typewriters. I actually took a typewriting class in high school. Um, we did typewriters. I, I did my papers on like memory writer typewriters. That's how I, before we had computers and stuff to do all that cool, you know, stuff that we had. Um, but I think it's so neat that you talk about this writing because it makes me think of, you know, when we were school, how the teacher would, you know, they would always have us write like journal prompts and stuff and we, you know, we probably thought at that time those were so stupid. Like I hated doing that. But now I know in the world that we live in. How, think about that. Every day, like when we're doing social media, we are doing journal prompts mm-hmm. Every day. Right? Like, we're, we're thinking, we're thinking about like, Hey, what happened this morning? I'm gonna, I'm gonna do a post about that. That's a journal prompt. And so mm-hmm. I think this is so interesting, you know, that for you it's, it's a good thing because you actually enjoy doing this stuff and you've been able to turn this into a, a, a passion and a, and make money at the passion, right? And so I think that's an awesome thing, but I think there's so many great things even with that, you know, just allowing to foster that creativity. And there's so much that comes from being able to tap into that creative zone. And so good for you for being able to really hone in on that and find, you know, what that gift is that you have, and then be able to transfer that into a career.

Timothy Flemming JR:

Yeah, it is been a wonderful journey. Uh, like I say, it's really a passion of, uh, just a labor of love, passion of mine. Yeah. Uh, you know, if you're not passionate about it, you're not gonna really put all your, your heart into it. So it's definitely something that was burnt out of passion.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah. And so, with you being in ministry, are you finding that a lot of your writers are coming from that world? They're writing a lot of, is it, you know, ministry type work? Do you feel like for them.

Timothy Flemming JR:

Oh yeah, so actually the majority of my clients, uh, that I work with do a lot of ghost writing as well. Uh, the majority of my clients were pastors. Um, there were several life coaches as well and entrepreneurs, but many of them come out of the ministry arena as pastors, leaders in, in ministry. And like I say, they have some incredible testimonies, uh, from traumatic experiences and things that they've gone through. And they just wanted to share these things and kind of. Allow people to get a deeper understanding of who they are. You may see the person standing in the pulpit, right? But you don't know about their struggles, the things that they've wrestled with, and the things that they continue to wrestle with. Just because a person is in ministry doesn't mean they are not human. They don't have challenges and things of that nature. Uh, so writing a book is a great way to connect with people on a deeper level. Uh, but yeah, most of my, uh, most of my clients have been pastors and ministry leaders. Um, I'll, I'll tell you, my first client who I wrote with, and by the way, she never really paid her invoice. Uh, but that's my wife. I love to say that, you know, she put it for me after, no, I did not invoice my wife. No, I did. I do not wanna be in the doghouse. But, uh, my wife, she was, you know, she, both, both of us are in ministry and she, she has an incredible book out just teaching people how to discover their purpose, you know, purpose seeks. Yeah. And after helping her put her book out, uh, one of her ministry friends contacted and said, Hey, look, uh, I want you to do for me what you did for your wife and then, uh, help that person. And she was a pastor and then she referred me to another. So, uh, the funny thing is, most of my clients, I never really. And especially in the beginning stage, did any real marketing, it was all just word of mouth. Yeah. Uh, but one person would always refer me to another person or refer people to me. And most of these people were ministers. They were pastors, ministry leaders. And that's, that's, that's a very unique area.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah.

Timothy Flemming JR:

Uh, when it comes to just expertise.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah. And I can see, you know, like when you're talking about life coaches and all that too, because I think I, well, you know, I'm certified in life coaching as well, but I got like a lot of different certifications. But it's funny because I feel like there's kind of ministry in that a lot of times. I mean, I think that Stu it all really sort of overlaps, you know? Mm-hmm. You take it all the way from the therapy spectrum all the way to, you know, what you're doing ministry. I mean, it really all kind of overlaps as you work through. And so I'm sure you've hear, heard a lot of really amazing stories. And, um, and I will say as an author, you know, like when I wrote my book, it was for me, it was. I don't even know if I wanted, maybe I wanted people to get it, but I think for me it was sort of a way for me to document what I had gone through to put it into words. Because, you know, at the time, here it is, by the way, it happened to be sitting on my desk, um, when I wrote it at the time. There was a lot different emotion than now that I have for it. Do you know what I mean? Like, when I wrote it at that time, it was hard. Mm-hmm. I got something flying through there, and then when I came back, you know, and I, and I look at it now, I can, it's, I, I feel like it's sort of like childbirth. If you ask somebody, like, right. A woman right at the time she's having childbirth. If she wants to know, she's probably gonna be like, hell no. Give her a little time. Then she's like, okay, we'll rethink that conversation. Right. That's how I felt about this book is like, when I wrote it, it was like awful because it was such a painful experience for me because I was going through all of the thick of it, but now I can look at it and go, okay, well that was a really tough season that I went through, but it helped me get, it helped, it became the catalyst for where I am in today and the work that I do, and, and basically I, I maybe in some ways it, it's a type of ministry that I do, but the work that I do now really stems from the hardship that came in that. In that book that I was writing, but it was really about, for me, it was really just a place for me to put that down so that I could go back. 'cause now people ask me and I'm like, they're like, they'll read it and they'll go, man, you went through some hard stuff because I don't really talk about it as much. Now people are like, okay. And then when they hear it, they go, wow. You know, like, they're like shocked because they, it's a very different emotion now. So for me it is, it was totally a place to just put it, talk about it, get it up, and really release it.

Timothy Flemming JR:

Yeah. Yeah. And, and the two really all the same, uh, with ministry life coaching. Yeah. You're dealing with the core. You're dealing with the core person. Yeah. Uh, you're going down to the hearts, the heart of the matter. You're dealing with a person's heart or their self-image, self-concept, helping them to change things about themselves. Um. So much of what the Bible teaches, we do find in the coaching field Yes. Uh, with life coaching. Yeah. Uh, so many similarities. Uh, for example, I was actually doing a Bible study, uh, not too long ago, and the core message in that particular Bible study was all about, uh, developing the right self-image. Uh, for example, if you have the wrong self-image, your self image imposes limitations on you that prevent you from reaching your goals. We find this all throughout the Bible.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah.

Timothy Flemming JR:

Uh, that as a person, as a man, think within his heart, who was he? You know? Yep. So it's so much that is, that is interconnected and it's, it's about learning how to deal with the individual, the core individual to find out what their needs are, what their limitations are, how they perceive themselves. So you're exactly correct that life coaching ministry, it all really works together, uh, in the same vein.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah. Yeah. And it's interesting that you say that because just to like kind of drive in that point, you're talking right there about the self-image thing that can wreak havoc in a lot of areas of life and when that is corrupted and not solid and, and it's, it's a, I think a continual process, obviously. Right? But when that is weak it is, it it's really, um, it can have a lot of de it can have devastating effects. It can really, you know, and, and one of the things, I don't wanna get into this, I really wanna talk about your stuff, but, you know, when I was going through this, um, I'll say this, that. I had a, I talk about this all the time. I've said it in several episodes. I had a holistic practitioner, I say holistic. He was more into like oils and herbs and that kind of thing, and I was kind of new to this, so I was sort of at that, the crossword where I was still thinking some of this stuff was kind of weird. I now, I'm like all over all of that stuff, but at this point I was kind of new to all this. And I remember he asked me, I did, I did talk about this book. He said something to the effect of like, what were you doing at the time of the onset of this particular crisis? At that point that I was going through at this time, it was a medical condition. And I will tell you, like I've said this in this episode many times when he asked me that at that time, I was like sort of taken back. I was kind of pissed off, to be honest with you, because I was victim and I was thinking, how dare you ask me this question. This was inflicted upon me. And, uh, I was mad. And I will tell you, this is 2012. Now we're in 2025 now. Okay? So I've grown a lot and I've worked on me and all that. But I will tell you the reason I'm telling you this is because at that time I was broken. There was a lot going on in my life and a lot of that was internal stuff Yeah. That I discovered through this journey that was actually contributing to the things that were going on in my world that were unfavorable. And so, um, I say all that to say, go back to that self image thing that you were talking about as I worked on healing me, the core worked on healing that and my worth. And, and I talk, you know, really big on this whole confidence and worth thing being two different things because skill set does not equate worth set, right? Like you can have a lot of skill and talent, but you don't like yourself. You got problems. Okay? Oh yeah. Yeah. I had, I had the skills. I'm a quick learner, talented pick up things very quickly, but the worth part was a problem. Work on that when I started really working on that part of that. A lot of this stuff really shifted, and so that's why I tell you I can now go back and look at this with the fresh set of eyes. It doesn't have the same emotional toll on me that it did at that time. And so I, I wanna say yes, commend you on that because that is so important. It's everything. I feel like it's just everything, you know, the image, how you feel about yourself and, and it just really makes a difference in the whole and how you show up every day.

Timothy Flemming JR:

Oh, yeah, yeah. Definitely. Definitely. You know, you're

Jennifer Loehding:

speaking it every day, right? Like you're speaking it. I love it. I love it. Awesome. So real quick before I move on about the books, I wanna know how you got into ministry. Back me up on that part really quick. Is this in family or did you just kind of evolve into this?

Timothy Flemming JR:

Okay, so my dad, he's a pastor. Okay. So I grew up in it. I'm a pk, so. Okay, gotcha. Yeah, I was the one that was just, he was already in the blood look bad in the beginning, always getting in trouble and, you know, try trying to avoid, you know, the, the ministry calling. Uh, so I went into sports and just kind of focused my attention on that, but I, I really felt the call of God and I, I just said, yes, you know, stop running. So from, from the thing that I know God is calling me to. Yeah. Uh, but it was a lot of pressure. It was a lot of anxiety, a lot of fear, a lot of what you just talked about, that internal work. Yeah. Uh, a lot of that, that needed to be dealt with. I still had a lot of misconceptions about ministry, you know, growing up and, and. Just the pressure of, of you have to please so many people. You have to appeal to this group and that group. Right. And you have to put out so many fires. And growing up, seeing all of those things, I said, Nope. You're like, no, this is not for me. I would just live my life and just do something else. But, you know, I, I, I finally just, just surrendered. And it's been a journey, uh, because I've been in ministry now for 30 years. Wow. I started when I was, uh, fi uh, 16 years old. Uh, uh, 16, uh, back in 1995. Um, sure. And, and from there until now, it's been a, it's been a journey. And I'll say this, especially for anyone that's listening, uh, healing. Is emotional, psychological healing. It's, it's a journey that you get on. You may be good at doing something like you just said a moment ago. You're good when it comes to your skillset, but when it comes to the other aspects, your feeling of self worth. Well, if you don't work on those things, then they will have a profound effect on, on anything that you do. And that was something that I had to work on within myself, uh, ministering. But I felt like an imposter many times.

Jennifer Loehding:

Right? Oh, yeah.

Timothy Flemming JR:

I felt like I was not worthy of the task for, worthy of the calling. And sometimes people will make you feel like that if you make mistakes. Uh, but that was something that I had to develop over a period of time. And now I'm in a much better place, um, where I've, I've really, I'm not just talking about the peace of God, but actually experiencing the peace of God in my life. But it was, it was a journey of healing that I had to go on in order to get to that place.

Jennifer Loehding:

I love that. Thank you for sharing that. You know, I had a, a guy on here a few episodes back, I don't know if you caught it, Ryan Godfried, and he's actually a psychologist at Cal State Fullerton. So in the business department. And he, just to put a, what you're saying, like a psychological, a different spin on it. He introduced this concept of being versus doing. We spend a lot of time in our lives doing, doing things that we think are going to make us feel better, whatever, when we really should be focusing on our being, because our being goes with us everywhere we go. Yeah. And so he real, what I loved about this is he just said the same thing you said, the same thing I said, but now coined it with terms over here for those people who really need like a, like a vi a visual, you know, like a picture of this. Whereas you and I are kind of like, we're, we're speaking from that feeling like I totally get what you're saying. And that's, and I, and that's. The way I speak about it, but it was really refreshing to hear him say it kind of in a little bit different language, this being versus doing and vertical versus horizontal growth that we do. You know? And, and when you think about it, we do, we spend a lot of time, you know, chasing success to, to master skillset and things. And then we realize at some point, I think I, I feel like I, that's kind of where I'm at now in my life, is that you start, you really start valuing. Your time over your money or whatever, or your money, you know, you, whatever that looks like to you. Mm-hmm. And I'm saying that to say, not to say we don't need money, but I also joke and say, if something doesn't align with my priorities, I don't really care how much money it is. I don't wanna deal with it. You know what I mean? Yes. So because we start to value ourself more and how we show up in, in our place in the world, and it, it is, it's a journey. It's not, um, and, and I love that you said about the imposter, because I think we all went, we all experienced that too. And even, even now, sometimes I still at, at my age have moments where I go, okay, I don't really feel like I'm living what I'm telling my people that we should be doing. You know? But here's the thing, authenticity is great, isn't it? Yeah. Oh yeah. Vulnerability and authenticity is great because it shows you're human.

Timothy Flemming JR:

Yeah. That, that, that is very profound what you just said because, uh, vulnerability, it doesn't mean that you're weak. Right. It means that you're open and that you're honest. Actually, that is a hidden strength, uh, to be vulnerable and. One of the things that a lot of people tend to do, and I think this is something that really traps us, is we look at ourselves, but we do so with judgemental eyes rather than compassion, right? So one of the things that I've learned how to do is when I do make certain mistakes, and I still do, oh, I'm a man of God. I'm a minister. I've been in ministry for 30 years. I've been doing this for, you know, so many years, and, and I'm supposed to be, you know, and some people will hold these, these high expectations. And if you, you are someone that deals with this, you, you, you know, you're someone that wrestle with this. I've learned how to just number one, relax. Yeah. Uh, don't put so much pressure on yourself. Uh, don't hold yourself to a level that you. That, that you don't hold others to. Right. If you're willing to give compassion to other people, but you're not willing to give that same compassion to yourself, that's something that you need to really question. Yeah. And one of the things that I've learned to do is rather than make a mistake and then come at myself with, I can't believe I did that. I can't believe it. I can't believe it now, I'll make the same mistake of saying, okay, let me question why did Tim make that mistake?

Jennifer Loehding:

What'd you do that for?

Timothy Flemming JR:

Yeah. What, what, what were, what were the triggers? Right? Why are you still triggered? What is the belief system that is causing that trigger, uh, to emerge? So now I ask questions rather than make judgements, and that makes a world of dis difference.

Jennifer Loehding:

Absolutely. Curiosity. I love it. Mm-hmm. That is a common theme. I feel like the last. Few, probably three or four episodes. That's been a big thing is this question, curiosity, you know, weeding with curiosity, because it really does, it takes away the judgment and the bias, right? Yeah. It, it allows you to come in with an open mind and be like, let me probe on this, right? Yeah, totally. Yeah. And I say all that to say to you that, yes, I do that too. I, I'm very much like, why am I doing that today? Why are we acting, you know? Because I think the more you grow Timothy too, I think you, you've learned too, where you go, I don't like my behavior right now. 'cause that's what I'll do to myself. Like, I had, I had an issue the other day with somebody and we had a little bit of a, uh, I, I say words. I felt like I got heated. And then what I, I just, what I did is I said, you know what, I'm gonna go now. I need to get my things done. But here's the interesting thing, when I got done. I actually felt bad. I felt bad about the fact that I allowed two things, that I had allowed someone to rile me that way I allowed, but also that I beha and how I responded to that. And so I did, I actually sent the person a text message and said, I'm sorry that I, that I, um, that I snapped at you. And I just said, you know, be kind to yourself or whatever. I didn't wanna do any, but this is why I did it. I just said, I'm sorry that I snapped at you. Left it alone. You know, it wa i, it was a mess. I don't wanna get into who's, who's, whatever. But the point is this, is that I think the more as we grow, you know, a couple things that we recognize, one that we contribute to, that we play a role in everything, but also that we know ourselves and we know our limitations and we know when we're also not acting favorably. And I think that growth comes when two things, when we can recognize that we can also apologize and say, you know, I didn't act appropriately, or, you know. That comes from the curiosity that comes from asking questions and saying, how could I have shown up better? What could I have done differently? Right. It's the awareness. Mm-hmm.

Timothy Flemming JR:

Oh yeah. Yeah. That awareness. That's the catalyst for change.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah. Yeah. It's good stuff. Timothy, you're doing great stuff. I'd love to know my, you know, with your authors, like what are some of the biggest, like, challenges, obviously we talked about, I, I'm, I'm guessing it's probably universal. You know, I had a mentor once that said, we always, something about that, which we think most personal is universal. Like, we all think we have these universal things, but at the core, get to the core, they're really kind of the all same things. We all have, there's like six human needs. We know what they are. Right. And usually it's one of those not being met, but we all have these little nuanced things. But I am curious to know, like, what are you finding with your authors? Like what, what is it the writing, the book? Is it once they write it, getting it out? Like what's the, what's that look like?

Timothy Flemming JR:

Okay. Yeah. And that's, that's a great question. So the first challenge that I've experienced with a lot of authors is just the whole storytelling aspect in and of itself that many of them have a great story to tell, but they don't know how to tell the story, especially in a, in a very engaging way. Yeah. Uh, so as we know, as, as writers, you know, there are certain rules when it comes to storytelling, uh, that causes any story to become successful or connect with readers. And so that's where I come in just to kind of help with that storytelling aspect. One of my favorite. Quotes is, everyone has a story to tell, but learn how to tell yours the right way. And that's after experiencing or years of experience working with so many clients that they have these incredible stories, but they just don't know how to convey the message. Yeah, how to articulate what they're feeling, how to. Uh, put, uh, the story in words that, that really captivate readers. And another one of the big challenges that I've also, uh, seen is that a lot of people are very hesitant to share those. Embarrassing. Yeah. That's that vulnerability

Jennifer Loehding:

thing. Uh, they,

Timothy Flemming JR:

they, they like, uh, I don't know how many times I've dealt with this. Uh, yes, Kim. I do not wanna put that in the book. And I'm like, you know, this, this story, what you're trying to hide is actually the key to the breakthrough for your readers. Yes. You know, this is the thing that's gonna connect with them. If I could share a quick story about this. Yes. Tell us again. When I was, uh, working with my wife, uh, my wife when she, uh, came to me about, uh, helping her to put her first book together, um. I sat down with her the same as I do with any ghost writing client. I just sat down with her, said, okay, just share with me your story. Share with me all your talking points, everything you want to go in the book. And so we just engaged in dialogue and as we were talking, she was sharing one incident. And and I said, that's it. We need to put that in the book. And she was adamant, no, you are not putting that in the book. I'm not telling that story. I'm not putting that. And we're going back and forth and I'm like, look, you have to put this in the book because I know you wanna hide this incident. But this is going to grab people's attention and wiel them in. Yeah. And that's one of the key components in storytelling. You need to lead with a hook, uh, something that will captivate people and cost them to wanna turn the next, uh, to the next page. And I, I'll share with you the, this, what the story finally I worn over, you know, eventually I worn over and she was like, okay, go ahead and put it in the book. And, and I said, look, I know how to dress it up, uh, so that it, it doesn't come across as embarrassing or what have you. Sure. But it still conveys the message. And so we started with that story and that story, this was the beginning of the book. This is basically the, the way that we started chapter number one, the apartment, it wreaked of weed, the smell of weed smoke. There were at least. 10 thugs down. Oh, you gave me chills. Just listening to it. All of them carrying guns and outside. There was a whole group of thugs still standing around in the Bowen Home apartment complex where me and my friend were trapped and we didn't know if we could get out. And then finally one of the guys entered into the room where I was. And if you want to hear the rest of the story, you gimme me chills just

Jennifer Loehding:

listening to it. Oh my gosh, yes. And this is so,

Timothy Flemming JR:

so I was said, look, we gotta lead with this story Yeah. Of being kidnapping. If people wanna know what happened, then yeah. They have to get the book, read the rest of the book and find out how you were able to escape that situation. Yes. And how that, how that factored into you discovering your purpose, who God called you to be. Yeah.

Jennifer Loehding:

Thank you for sharing that. You know why? Okay. Two things I'm gonna say because you just gave me chills reading that. 'cause I, I, I would be like, I gotta flip the page, so I gotta get through that. I love this. But also, you said something so powerful in this. I mean, this whole episode so far has been amazing, but just the fact that you said this leading with the hook, because this is so important. I think it's social media, video clipping your, all these things because we, you coming in as an outside viewer and saying this, because I think we get so. Into our things, right? We know our story. We think we know what's important, what the part is we need to put, because we wanna share that part. But sometimes having that person come in from the outside in and going, okay, these are the highlights, these are the things that are gonna actually grab people are important. But I also like that you just said that word, the hook in here because we did a lot of touchy-feely stuff in this whole thing, and you put something out there. There's actually a, a pay attention moment here for somebody right now if they're writing a book. You need to be leading with that main story. Whatever that pivotal moment or whatever that is. It's like the cl, the climax, whatever that is. And that story, that's what we need to be leading with in the beginning, you know? And, and I'm going through this right now. It's so funny 'cause I have somebody helping me with my, um, like repurposing my content right now. And it's fun because, you know, we got these applications where I can put the video in there and it'll give me some, but he is actually creating these like SI don't know, you can go on my site now. Look at 'em. 'cause they're pretty good. He is creating these like, cinema type stories from my content. Mm-hmm. But it's interesting 'cause he'll gimme the scripts and he is like, this one will go, will be for this reason, this reason. And they're just highlights, basically like clips where people are gonna go. Like we went the, the Cal State guy, I think he opened with one that said, and I got fired, you know, and, and I never thought I'd be fired. Something like that. So then you're like, okay, this is a Cal State professor. Like what's the story behind this? He got fired from his job. If you know the story, he was basically in a position where he was his, he was exceeding the position basically. Mm-hmm. He was growing outta the position and his boss finally basically said, I'm letting you go. You need to go. Like, you need to go find, move on and find something else. But he's like, I'm, I'm, I'm this, why am I being fired? I never saw myself doing this. And this whole train of events goes down now because he is married and, and I think he had at least one, I dunno if he had more than one kid. He had kid. So he is got a family he's responsible for and he is fired. You know, so all and, and I think, you know, I'm sitting here thinking about all these stories now. That come on this show. And I'm like, yes. We had the, the one that I just put out this week, the guy retired. He was in the a, like a petroleum engineer, I don't know, in the oil and gas. Retired at 49. Wow. Retired at 49. Introvert engineer, if you know, I'm married to an engineer, so you probably can figure out the type. Okay. Figure. He basically had to reinvent himself and he did a TEDx talk and now he's a coach and he is telling me that, you know, like he's, he eventually was going to help men and now he's getting women that are in transition, like coming out of divorce life transition. But the thing, the whole thing was like when I was getting ready to title this, it was like we. Retire at 49. Now. What? Like, that's our, like, that was like our caption. That's, I'm like, the whole story's about reinvention. Yeah. But it's about this guy's journey that at 49 he, this was like a pivotal moment. He had to reinvent himself. Mm-hmm. So I love that you said that because I think that we get lost in the weeds of all of our stuff and, and lose that. We need that, that moment that's gonna get the person hooked in. So they wanna finish with us, whether it's video, book, whatever it is.

Timothy Flemming JR:

Oh yeah. That, that hook is, uh, I would say the hook is probably the most important thing. Most people, uh, when they are starting out in the writing process, one of the areas they really get stuck at is, how do I even start?

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah. Where do

Timothy Flemming JR:

I begin? And you really wanna start with something that is going to. Breed or create curiosity and read it. Yeah. Uh, and that's just a very important tip. You wanna lead with curiosity. There's a lot of neuroscience behind that. Yeah. You know, open loops, uh, the brain just, you just can't, can't, can't stop or think about anything else, you know, until you just, you know, bring closure to that open loop. So that, that is, that is a very strategic, uh, tactic, uh, to use when it comes to putting together a book and especially sharing your story. And usually what I tell my clients is the thing that you are most embarrassed about. Yeah. You may be embarrassed about it, but someone else needs to hear it. Uh, it's, it's the, it's the secret of somebody else's healing or breakthrough. Um, and, and I'll I'll share one more. One more. You're fine story about it. Absolutely. You're fine. You're like, you

Jennifer Loehding:

probably got lots of stories.

Timothy Flemming JR:

It's a lot of stories. Storytellers. Storytellers, uh, that there was, uh, one, one pastor, uh, yeah. Of, of pastor that I was working with, and she had a very fascinating, uh, testimony about how being in a particular denomination, very popular minister, being in a, in a certain denomination, she encountered a lot of, I hate to say it, but a lot of sexual harassment and abuse at the hands of people that were higher up

Jennifer Loehding:

Oh, wow.

Timothy Flemming JR:

Follow ups in that particular denomination. And she came to me with this engaging, interesting story about navigating the hurdles of ministry as a woman. Yeah. And having to deal with. Sexual immorality, uh, coming from those that you look to as leaders, uh, within, within the church. And, uh, and she was, uh, her, her issue was well. I don't wanna share that story because if I share that story, people know who I am. Right. They're gonna know who I'm talking about. It's gonna bring a lot of, of criticism and skepticism, and people are gonna start to look at certain people within the ministry differently. Yeah. And I, and I stopped and I said, well, I understand your hesitation about sharing your story. I understand, but didn't you tell me that God told you you have to write this book? Mm-hmm. So number one, we're dealing with a conviction that's on the inside of you. Yeah. That this is something that you have do. Uh, but number two, I, I said, well, you may offend, let's just say you offend a hundred people, a hundred people who are, who are upset about what you've written and, and bringing exposure to something that needs to come to light. But you may set free a hundred thousand people. Right. So you have to kind of weigh the two. Uh, do I, do I, uh, uh, close my mouth and just conceal this experience and hide this aspect of my story so that I don't offend a hundred? Or do I share it so that I could set a hundred thousand free and you have to kind of wait or two? Yeah. And that's something that, that I really had to, to bring to her awareness because those things that you're trying to hide many times, those are the things that resonate and connect with people more deeply than anything else.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah. No, it's good that you say that. And I do, I do think that is a hard story, by the way. I can imagine, you know. Ha. Having, I don't even, I don't know. I never like to say, I know how somebody feels about something, but I can only imagine being in that position, that being hard. Yeah. It's, and it's funny that you say this too, 'cause I, I had this conversation with, I'm like, you, I have so many stories and so as we're talking, it's like, I'm like, dude, man, I need to like take your episode and refer all these back people. 'cause all these points we're talking about, about these different people have talked about. But I had a guy on here a couple weeks ago and I just released his, he was in the education and we were kind of talking about some of these similar things and I was telling him how, you know, like just to talk about what you're talking about on a small scale, when I go to do social media, sometimes I'll have, like, I'm a storyteller, so I like to use, I, I'm like you, I find, and we know the science behind this people. Remember stories. That's why movies, certain movies do really well. And if you can get, and you know, like, like, you know, certain types, you'll, you'll find the story behind them. And some of 'em are really profound. Mm-hmm. People learn from stories. They don't learn from you sitting here telling them concepts over. And I mean, they do, but they're not, they're gonna find experiences they remember. And so I find that storytelling is such a great way to get points across, right? Mm-hmm. So I was telling him that, you know, like I was creating, at this particular time, I was trying to create a post about something and I was wrestling with it because it's like every time I put something out, it's hard for me to just put a post and be like, okay, did day everybody have a great day? Go be brave. I always have to have a story and a message line. No matter what's going on in my world, I gotta have a storyline for it. Well, sometimes I get tired of telling the story. So anyways, I told him, I said, I put this post up and as soon as I get it up, I'm like, I'm gonna take it down. Because it, there was a part of me in the story that I had to tell that made me extremely uncomfortable because it was a vul. I don't even remember what the story was. Now, see, it's over. It's already out there. But it was a very, for me, felt like a very vulnerable moment. 'cause I had to, I was telling something that was going on in my world that I was having to address, and I told him, I said, I almost took it down. I said, I was going through this whole head thing, like I'm not gonna put it up. And then I finally get it up and then I'm like, I'm gonna take it back down. And he's like, you know, then he was telling us about the X part of the brain that like, when we do that, then we tell ourselves, well, you're, you're embarrassing yourself. Why put that up there? 'cause you're gonna embarrass yourself. Right. It's all that head stuff. Yeah. I left it up, I got done talking to him. I said, well, it's up now. I'm, I'm not taking it back down now. 'cause that that's too much work. I gotta go find it again. You know, take it out. So I left. I don't even know what it was about at this point. I have no idea what the post even was. Wow. But it is the stuff we go through. Right. And so I imagine, you know, when you're dealing with these authors, you're getting that same thing. It's that whole like, we gotta put ourselves out there, then people are gonna know we, and Yeah. And I'm even sometimes, like, you know, we have, we have stories going on all the time. Sometimes I don't share them Right. When I'm going in. Then I wait till they get solved and then I tell, you know, like, I, 'cause then I might feel a little better about then I, I'm like, okay, I had this hard thing happen. Now I can talk about it because I solved it. Yeah. Or worked through it. But also I think to your point, as we said in the very beginning, the more you get comfortable with yourself. You also recognize that's part of who your, your journey, that's part of what got you to where you are today. It needed to be there so you can release it to the world and be like, I can tell it now. You know?

Timothy Flemming JR:

Yeah. And, and that's, that's you, you said something, uh, just a moment ago that was again, very, very incredible about how people remember stories. Uh, they don't remember just jargon and just talking Yeah. And, you know, talking points. No. They remember stories and that, that it really alludes to, again, when we even go back to the Bible for example. Mm-hmm. Why is it that Jesus. Always use parables.

Jennifer Loehding:

Right? Right. Every

Timothy Flemming JR:

time he wanted to communicate a very important message, he didn't just sit down and say, okay, uh, th needed to do this. Now we're gonna order

Jennifer Loehding:

this.

Timothy Flemming JR:

He would sit down and say, to the equivalent of, of our rnac. Yeah. He would say, once upon a time, you know? Right. Uh, lemme share a story with you about a woman that owned a house, or lemme share a story with you about a man that owned the field. He always conveyed very important, uh, uh, very important revelations through story. Yeah, because our brain, psychologically, like you just said, they remember stories more than than anything else. And we see ourselves in those stories. When you create a character, uh, this is a great way for people to connect with that character because they can see themselves in that character. They see their traits, they see when the character is dealing with fears or dealing with insecurities that, that the mirror neurons are reflecting back to them. I see myself in that character and that story gives them a guide map or a roadmap on how to navigate their own real life challenges and circumstances. So storytelling is one of the key, uh, components when it comes to creating a book. And it, it doesn't matter if it's. Fiction or nonfiction. This works in both genres. Uh, just learning how to tell that story. And like you just said, even in those moment moments when you feel like, well, I don't know if I can really talk about this because I haven't come out of it all the way, or I'm still wrestling with it. And those moments of doubt that still pop up that, who am I to even talk about this? I'm still dealing with it. Well, that's their strength in even admitting that you're still wrestling with something because. That place of vulnerability and awareness is the first step to changing anything. That's where most people lack. Yeah. Is, is becoming aware of what the problem is. So you can't defeat a problem that you're not aware of. So, uh, I would, I would dissuade people from taking the attitude that, well, I'm not qualified the right or to share my story because I'm not Superman or Superwoman. I'm not, you know, beyond reproach. Well, no one is.

Jennifer Loehding:

Exactly. Yeah. No one is exactly. Yeah. No good. And thank Yeah, and thank you for sharing that. 'cause I agree it's, it's, we do, we wait for, I mean, I think it's an everything. We wait for everything to be right, like before, you know, and I think this is no different than anything. And really, I mean, we're wait for the conditions. It's so funny in Mary Kay, I used to make a joke, you're gonna love this. I used to make a joke about bush burning because I would say like, I'm like, if you're waiting for a bush to burn, it's probably not gonna happen. You just gotta sometimes move. You just gotta wait. You know? Like, you just gotta go and make the decision to go because they're looking for, we're looking for all these signs all the time. I do think that the more we become in alignment with us and who we are and all those things, I do think we have, our intuition gets better and we do get better at recognizing when timing is right and when timing isn't. But we're still human. We're gonna make mistakes. And I think that, you know, the, the beauty of this conversation that we're having here is just, you know, giving people permission to tell the story. Do it right. Tell the story, be vulnerable, you know, and, and put yourself out there because somebody needs to connect with that message. And I, as we're talking about this, I, I love, um, two things I'll say. I love John Maxwell. I think he's such a great storyteller. I learned about him when I was, my years of Mary Kay's. Like what? I love all his books because I think he's such a great storyteller. In fact, I saw him live here in Dallas a couple years ago, and it was so funny. He was talking about all the, these different characters, but he was putting 'em in, in the Bible, these characters in today, like what they would look like if they were in today. It was the funniest thing because you could relate to the characters, you could totally see it happening. So he's one, but as a business, uh, writer. Uh, Leon, Leon San, he does five dysfunctions of a team. All his books are parables and they're good. Mm-hmm. Because you read 'em, he's, all the messages are in there if you read the book, but they're all through these stories. And five dysfunction of a team talks about the, the character in the team that is actually very skilled, but they're kind of the cancer in the organization because their attitude is not right. And how they think they're not replaceable, but they're really bringing the morale down in the, in the organization because they're just not a great team player, you know? And so, um, anyways, but the whole point of that is it's all parable. It's all, it's all storytelling. And you get the concept, but you love the story. You know, and so I think you and I could talk all day long about stories. 'cause I know you got a lot. I have interviewed so many people. That's why I have so much fun with these, because every time I go somewhere, somebody will tell me something. I'm like, yeah, there was this person on my podcast. I need to connect y'all. Or yeah, there was a story and yeah, this one and this, I have so many stories. It's crazy. I love it. You know, it's great. I would love to know this from you about you, what you've learned. You've said so many things in here that I, I know these are already takeaways from you, so we don't need to reiterate, but I wanna hear you say something, you know, just what comes to mind here. What do you feel like you've learned about yourself through this process of building your business?

Timothy Flemming JR:

Wow. Uh, where do I start?

Jennifer Loehding:

Right? I just said like a loaded question.

Timothy Flemming JR:

That's a loaded question. Uh, how much time do I have? I'm, I'm just joking. But, um, what I've learned about myself, number one, um. Building a business and, and I'm, I'm, I'm so glad that you phrased the question that way. Uh, because building a business is a very unique thing. Uh, it requires you to tap into certain resources sometimes that you didn't know that you had, uh, to really go into a place and even deal with certain traumas and things that you didn't realize were still there. And so in the process of building a business, I learned a lot of things about myself, particularly in the area of limiting beliefs, uh, beliefs that I didn't realize that I was operating with, uh, for many years. Uh, things that I didn't realize were actually, uh, roadblocks or holding things that were holding me back. And, and I'll, I'll give you another interesting story. In 2020, uh, found myself lying in a hospital bed. And I was under, uh, getting ready to undergo surgery. And this was something that just seemed to come out of nowhere. It seemed to come out of nowhere, but it, it, and it certainly blindsided me, but I discovered that a lot of this was as a result of certain beliefs that I had, I was working myself or basically killing myself, I'll put it that way. Uh, I was, I would say I was overperforming, undercharging, uh, a lot of different things that I was dealing with and. And it, it took me lying in a hospital bed under the, under the, uh, the, the surgery knife for me to come to the realization that I needed to do business different, but in order to do business different, I needed to change the way that I thought, right? There were certain thought patterns. There were certain belief systems, there were certain limiting beliefs. Uh, one of the beliefs that I carried, and this is when I made this discovery about myself, that I was carrying this belief system that I, I always kind of had this belief that I'm just not good enough. I'm just not good enough. Doesn't matter how well I perform or overperform, it's just not enough. Yeah. Uh, perfectionism. I just have to do more in order to prove myself. I just don't feel like anything that I've done is worthy of recognition and praise. It is just never this, this feeling of satisfaction and that was something that would always ache at me. Uh, and, and just, just really drive a lot of how I did business, and that's what put me in a hospital, uh, with a stress related I illness. Uh, so, uh, I, I learned a lot about myself, but it came in the form of discovering key belief systems that were secretly sabotaging me behind the scenes. And that's when I started to, uh, not just focus on helping people to write and publish books and not just focus on the strategies in the business aspect of, of things, but to now take a pivot and actually start to help people in the area of mindset, uh, because I didn't understand it up until then, just how powerful our beliefs are. So I would say that's the greatest discovery that business has taught me. You have to develop the right mindset, the right motivations. Have the right belief system. These things need to be at the core of everything that you do. And there was something that you said earlier that anything that violates my principles and my values, I just say no, it doesn't matter. If more money is thrown my way, if it violates who I'm at the core, then it's gonna create conflict inside of me. And I may have the money, but I'm also at World War Me. Yes. And I can't afford to have that. I need to have,

Jennifer Loehding:

I agree more

Timothy Flemming JR:

than I have or a couple of extra zeros, uh, in the bank accounts. So those are some very important takeaways.

Jennifer Loehding:

I love that. And thank you for sharing that story. You and I have kind of similar, similar, different, but I feel like sort of. The trigger. The thing, the thing that happened different, but overall similar. And what it did, the prompting of the, the self-evaluation, and that's where that curiosity came into play because you were asking questions, why did this happen to me? How, why, what and where, what, how did this happen? Why did it happen? What was my role in this? And that's what I think is the big key thing here when we're talking about this. You know, this whole thing about this story is we have these stories, right? And, and part of, I think writing these books too, I think and telling these stories as part of that healing in that journey, because I think it really allows us to ha take that, whatever that thing is, whatever that painful thing is that that. Create something for us, right? You have two choices. You have, all of us have stuff that happens, right? I mean, some people have worse stories, obviously. Um, but I think we have a lot of these things that keep happening to us a lot of times too, because we have lessons. We gotta keep learning and we're not picking up the lesson. We're not picking up what it is that we like. You're talking about this worth thing. And I, you know, I've been in those areas. I've been in those places where I didn't value and I wasn't charging well, and I was running ragged. And at the time that I had my whole health thing, you know, I was a, a mom of a 16, 12 and 8-year-old. I was a homeroom mom, field trip mom, PTA mom. I was running a business. I was also, we were doing karate, lacrosse, piano destination, imagination. I mean, we were doing it all. And although I had a spouse in the house, I was doing most of that running around on, on. And I found myself with a, a major nerve condition that came outta nowhere. And all of a sudden I'm kind of like, where you are? Where I had to go back and realize. What's going on here? That there were behaviors that were triggered by belief systems that I was playing out every day, and they led to this. Chaos, right? Yeah. Yeah. And so all of this I think is, so Im, you know, I don't know where I was going on with this, but my point to all, all of this we've talked about today, I feel like it's been so important because I think part of this book writing is part of this healing process. And, and you know, everybody has a way of going through their healing. But I think for those of us that have, you know, that wanna create impact and we have a story to tell, I think that is part of that process that we need to heal. And so, um, it's why I do this podcast too. It's why you do your ministry. It's why I do a pod podcast. I tell people all the time, I'm like, I, I, this is where I crack up. I had somebody the other day, Tim the other day, wrote me. 'cause I get pitched probably like you do every day. Somebody's got the, the thing that's gonna make me a millionaire. But it's all about my pod. They tell me my videos, they tell me my SEO sucks. They tell me this, this, but this is my favorite. Besides the fact, the ones I get in LinkedIn and say, have you ever thought about doing a podcast? That one cracks me up. This is my next one. I got one the other day that says, I was listening to some of your episodes and they all seem to not be related. And I'm like, tell me, you know nothing about my podcast or about Jennifer without telling me, you know nothing. Because if you know anything about me, you understand the premise of the entire show. It's, it's all about healing, thriving, and teaching people to live their best lives. And the way we know to do that is we've got to spread good message. And that's what I do. I bring people in here to talk about them, thriving them. You are thriving. Everybody that comes on here is doing something that they enjoy doing. We're thriving. And that's the point of this entire show, you know, but I crack up, it makes me laugh. I just had to go delete. I was laughing on it. So it, it's, it's, it just cracks me up. Um, but thank you for sharing all that. And then for anybody. Who is maybe right now, you know, other than ma picking up that phone, reaching out to you and being like, help me tell this story. What is one thing maybe a on the fence book writer could do right now? They wanna get this story, what could they do?

Timothy Flemming JR:

Uh, well, just a person who was on the fence about writing a book. Number one, if you have a story that is bubbling up on the inside of you, you're not gonna be able to rest comfortably, go to sleep or do anything unless you get that story out. It's more than just a story. It's almost a calling. A calling, uh, because you have a mission, you have a purpose, and that purpose is to impact the lives of other people. So that story is there. I usually tell people this also, that the things that you've gone through, the painful experiences, they didn't happen, uh, just by coincidence or happenstance. Or for no reason at all. No, these things came together, uh, to develop within you an incredible story, an oyster that needs to be shared with the rest of the world. So you have a mandate to really share that story. You got an obligation. I would share that information, get it out. Uh, and, and I will say that to go ahead and, and really connect, uh, with someone that can help you in that process because you have an incredible story. So let's really take the next step. One of the key things is to start writing down, uh, journaling your experiences, put all of that in writing, and then from there we take the next step and begin to develop, uh, all of those key experiences and put it together into an incredible story, an incredible book that can bless the lives of other people. So that's a, that's a, a, a tip that I would leave with you right there as far as a good starting point.

Jennifer Loehding:

I would say too, and I don't know about you, but like, I'm, I'm also like record, like record things. I have to like, because I'm like, sometimes I'm like, you know what I'm telling you now with chat GPT? Oh yeah. Tim, you better believe I'm over there telling chat. GPT I'm talking to it and I'm telling, don't be stupid today. Tell me what I need to hear.

Timothy Flemming JR:

Yeah, I, I forgot about that. Pull out your cell phone and click the voice memo. Record. And that's right. Record yourself. Have a good yourself. You have

Jennifer Loehding:

good idea. If you can't write it down, get that recorder out. So, yeah, you know what? I know you're probably like, I'm, sometimes those ideas come in the most, you know, odd spots. You'd be like, I used to laugh 'cause we would take our dogs walk. I mean, we still walk, but the one dog, we got one that's old now. He's not walking anymore, but we'd go out and walk and I'm not kidding you, I'd be out like five o'clock in the morning and I'd be like. I got an idea. Yeah. And I have nothing with me. And I'm like telling my husband as we're walking, I'm like, do not forget this. Do not help me. So I'm like singing on the way back, like I'm making up acronyms and stuff on the way back. Yeah. So I can try to remember the idea, you know, to when I

Timothy Flemming JR:

get home and, and I, I'll say this because a lot of people don't realize the best ideas actually develop when you're not trying to think of the ideas. So when you're walking and your brain is relaxed, that's when the ideas come. Yeah. So, yeah, you wanna keep a voice memo recorder or something handy for those moments?

Jennifer Loehding:

That's good. I know. I found when I was writing too, like if I tried to force it, I couldn't, if I just sat down and I'd be like, I'm gonna like, I feel like write right now, then I just write, you know, like, but if I was trying to like force that mm-hmm. It's like I, it, it doesn't it your brain's too task oriented in that moment and you're trying to make it, you know, creative and you're like in that zone, you know? Yeah. Oh yeah. So I'm with you. Good stuff. All right. Well, yeah, I'm, this has been a great episode. This has been so much fun. I know you, and I'm looking at the timeline. We gotta go. You got things to do. I got things to do. We're gonna sit here forever. If our audience wants to get in touch with you, maybe they wanna follow you, they wanna reach out. Maybe they need help with ghost writing, whatever, wherever they are right now, where do you want us to send them?

Timothy Flemming JR:

Okay, so you can reach out to me through my website at www dot Timothy Flemming Jr. And Flemming is spelled with two M's. Uh, so that's F-L-E-M-M-I-N-G JR jr.com. Timothy Flemming jr.com. Uh, and for the book publishing, uh, well, I, and I sent people to Timothy Flemming, Jr. Because I have some wonderful resources, many of which are free. That people can take advantage of If you're trying to develop your story, you wanna learn how to, uh, share your story in, in your book, uh, have a lot of resources right there. Uh, but for those that just want to jump out and publish their books, then you can go to the publishing website at T-A-N-D-J publishers.com, t and j publishers. We have a lot of wonderful packages there to help those that are ready to publish that book.

Jennifer Loehding:

They're like, oh, they're already there. We don't have to get through the, we just get 'em over the edge. This is awesome. We'll make sure when we get the show notes out, we'll get the websites in there too, so they know where to find you and all that good stuff. So it's been fun. Thank you for all the, the conversation. And like I said, we never know where these are gonna go. I told you in the beginning there, I had some questions that we asked them, but we also got to just talk in the middle of this and, and it's been great and you and I, I feel like different worlds and, and things. We've got some parallels and so those always make for the best conversations when we can kind of share stories and have some, you know, insights that come from that. So thank you for your, your time and wisdom and all that good stuff.

Timothy Flemming JR:

Awesome. Thank you for having me. Enjoyed it, loved it. Awesome, awesome.

Jennifer Loehding:

All right. And of course, to our audience, we love you, appreciate you. We hope you found this episode both inspiring and informative. And if you did, you know what to do, all the things, comment, share, like, subscribe, so we can keep sharing all this fabulous content. Reach out to Tim and you need to write a book or need some help getting that thing, or you just need to push over the fence, give them a call or reach out to 'em. And of course, as I always say, in order to live the extraordinary, you must start. Guess what? Every start begins with a decision. You guys, take care, be safe, be kind to one another. We'll see you next time.

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Jennifer Loehding

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Timothy Flemming JR

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