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Huddle for Success: Overcoming Plateaus & Redefining What Success Really Means (with Mark Bruce and Duane Gibbs)

• Jennifer Loehding • Season 8 • Episode 118

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Success doesn’t always look the way we expect — and sometimes the hardest part of growth is realizing it’s time to redefine it.

In this episode of Starter Girlz, Jennifer Loehding sits down with Mark Bruce and Duane Gibbs, co-founders of Huddle for Success, for a powerful, honest conversation about navigating life’s plateaus, reinventing yourself, and making intentional choices that align with who you are now — not who you used to be.

Drawing from their backgrounds in sports, entrepreneurship, investing, and coaching, Duane and Mark share how the concept of the huddle became a metaphor for success: a moment to pause, regroup, reflect, and move forward with clarity. This episode isn’t about chasing more — it’s about choosing better.

Together, they explore the lessons learned through wins, missteps, mentorship, and life experience — and what it really means to build success around freedom, family, faith, and fulfillment. They also highlight their commitment to providing scholarships to help individuals seeking meaningful changes in their lives.

⭐ What You’ll Hear in This Episode
✅ Why success plateaus often signal growth — not failure
✅ How shared experiences and relationships spark meaningful ventures
✅ Lessons from sports, teamwork, and the power of the “huddle”
✅ Why mentorship and coaching matter at every stage of life
✅ The mindset shifts required to reinvent yourself at any age
✅ Real stories from entrepreneurship and investment mistakes
✅ The difference between achievement, gratitude, and fulfillment
✅ How to define success on your own terms
✅ Why freedom, family, and autonomy are non-negotiables
✅ Questions that help clarify what you truly want next

🎙️ About Mark Bruce & Duane Gibbs
Mark Bruce and Duane Gibbs are the co-founders of Huddle for Success, a platform built on the belief that meaningful success comes from intentional decisions, mindset mastery, and surrounding yourself with the right people. With backgrounds spanning sports, business, real estate investing, and coaching, they help individuals break through plateaus and create success aligned with purpose, freedom, and fulfillment. 

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Jennifer Loehding:

Welcome to the Starter Girlz Podcast, your ultimate source of inspiration and empowerment. We're here to help women succeed in every area of their lives: career, money, relationships, and health and well-being. While celebrating the remarkable journeys of individuals from all walks of life who've achieved amazing things. Whether you're looking to supercharge your career, build financial independence, nurture meaningful relationships, or enhance your overall well-being, the Starter Girlz Podcast is here to guide you. Join us as we explore the journeys of those who dare to dream big and achieve greatness. I'm your host, Jennifer Loehding, and welcome to this episode. Welcome to another episode of the Starter Girlz Podcast. I'm your host, Jennifer Loehding, and wherever you are tuning in today, we are so glad to have you. All right, I'm gonna open up with this today. We all hit points in life and business where we feel stuck, unsure of how to move forward or reach the next level. Some plateaus seem impossible to break. And if nothing changes, guess what? Nothing changes, right? So why do most people keep doing the same thing and wonder why they're stuck? I think that's an insanity thing. My guest today, I have a feeling, is gonna help us with some of that. And so we're gonna be chatting with him. I say my guest as an S because we have two today. This could be so much fun. But before I can bring them on, I do need to do a quick shout out to our sponsor. This episode is brought to you by Walt Mills Productions. Need to add excitement to your YouTube videos or some expert hands for editing? Look no further. Walt Mills is the solution you've been searching for. Walt is not only your go-to guy for spicing up content, he's the force behind a thriving film production company with numerous titles in the pipeline. Always on the lookout for raw talent, Walt is eager to collaborate on film and internet productions. With a background deeply rooted in entertainment and promotion, Walt Mills leverages years of skills to give you the spotlight you deserve. Want to learn more about Walt and his work? Head on over to Walt Mills Productions.net and let your content shine. And with that, I do want to make a mention to head on over to startergirls.com. I tell you this every single week. And why? Because for a few reasons. One, if you've missed an episode, it is a great place to catch up. You can also sign up for our community newsletter and stay in the know of what's going out and coming up. And then, of course, if you are an aspiring entrepreneur, creator, I don't know, maybe you're in the thick of it. You want to know what your number one success block is that may be impacting your success. Well, you can take my quiz that I created. It's a two-minute quiz, it's fun. It'll tell you what might be holding you back right now. So head on over to startergirls.com and as I always say, do your thing. All right. It's time to welcome our guests to the show today. So today I'm joined by Mark Bruce and Duane Gibbs, co-founders of Huddle for Success. Together they help entrepreneurs, professionals, and high performers break through plateaus, reshape their mindset, and take action that produces real results in business and life. Mark has built wealth and business success starting in his early 20s, while Duane brings in over 30 years of experience coaching leaders to overcome limiting beliefs and achieve bold goals. And so I'm so excited to have you both on the show today. So welcome, Mark Duane. Welcome to Starter Girlz.

Mark Bruce:

Great to be here, Jennifer. Thanks for having us.

Duane Gibbs:

Yes, we are so glad to be here.

Jennifer Loehding:

It's gonna be so much fun. I'm excited.

Duane Gibbs:

Yes.

Jennifer Loehding:

So all right, and we will we're gonna make we're gonna make this fun. I know both of you got lots of things to share. And so hopefully we'll get to hear from both of you back and forth on some of this stuff. And so, um, first of all, I guess what I want to talk about is is how this whole huddle for success thing came together. Like, how did you two get together to create this platform that you're using to help your clients?

Duane Gibbs:

So that's a great question. Um, so I'll start and then uh give half the story, and then Mark can give the other half. Sounds good. Uh as you mentioned, uh I I was in an industry for 30 years, so I traveled all over the world educating people not only how to invest in real estate, but also the note side of real estate, securitized by real estate. And I met Mark about 12 years ago, the company I worked with. We had an expo. Mark came to the expo talking with Mark. Hey, where are you from? Oh, I'm from Maryland. Oh, me too. And it was kind of going back and forth, come to find out. His dad was my assistant principal at our high school. So that's how close we grew up. And and we didn't know each other, but we we formulated a friendship. And I kind of helped Mark a little bit with the note business, and we just stayed connected. And so after 30 years of travel traveling so much, I I just got tired of living out of hotels and suitcases, and as we were talking before the show, you know, doing a lot of work in Dallas Fort Worth and I, you know, have the same room. I was going there so much, I had the same daggone hotel room, you know, twice a month every time I'd go. And so living out of airplanes and just constantly flying, it was it was a lot. I loved what I did, but the traveling got to me. Um and so after 30 years, I decided, hey, I'm gonna stop. And at that time, my mom and dad wanted to make a move from Southwest Florida up here to North Carolina where I lived. And so they would come on vacations and you know, they enjoyed being up here. I have a sister that's 11 years to my senior, so they were they were able to come see her because she just couldn't travel and go down for holidays and all. And so because I was able to, because of my job, I'd travel all around. I would I was able to go. So they moved up. Um, and eight months into it, my dad had a stroke and and passed away.

Jennifer Loehding:

I'm sorry.

Duane Gibbs:

And my mom, uh, she has Alzheimer's, dementia, and sun downers, and so I see to her full time. And, you know, I was away from the the whole training business for about I don't know, three years. And I just I did some things, you know, a little bit, but really taking care of my mom and just trying to figure out what was my next step. You know, I know that I wanted to get back into helping people because I enjoy it. I love getting someone from ecstasy, you know, and just what what does all that look like? And so I'm talking to Mark one day and I said, listen, I am trying to reinvent myself, but it's it's an issue. It's an issue because I I know what I did for 30 years, but how can I really transition over? I have this balloon in my head, but nothing I have found that can pop it, that can make everything make sense. And uh so visually I saw it, but mentally I just didn't have it together of what that looked like. And so that was about two years ago, and he presented to me a system and his coach mentor that he uses Bob Proctor. And so everybody, uh anybody that's out there that uh does coaching speaking, live seminars, I know have been around, and I could tell you any of them, and you say, Oh, yeah, I know that person. Well, when Mark presented this to me, this was the first time that I sat up in my seat and boom, that was the pop of the balloon. That was my aha moment. And then from there it just overflowed. You know, we we collaborated so much and said, hey, let's combine our 70 years of experience, and Mark will tell his story that, you know, we even though we're so different, but yet we're we're very uh a lot alike in so many different ways. And so we meshed all of it together, but yet used Bob Proctor's thinking in the results as our platform. So there's a system that's already been in place for 60 years, and then 70 years of what we bring to the table, we just felt like, you know what, this is a great machine. And let's figure out how we can really load people into this business and take them to a different level, whether they're trying to create another business, whether, like myself, need to reinvent themselves, have been in corporate America for so long, have ideas, and just try and get people to a different position in life andor business that they're longing for. And so with that being said, uh I was we I'm we're big into sports and it was that in just a few minutes. Yeah, big into sports and just really um wanted it to develop around team and unity and collaboration. And and I just came up, I was watching Super Bowl a year and a half ago, and and just thinking, you know what, or football game, I don't know if it was Super Bowl, but they're all together. You know, they get a play from the sideline, they huddle together, they execute the play, boom, they score a touchdown. And so the huddle just came. I said, hey, how about huddle for success? And so that's that's kind of how formulated.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah, I love it. I love it. Yeah. Okay, very cool. Mark, you want to add to this?

Mark Bruce:

Well, uh, you know, sport as Dwayne said, sports was something that was dear near and dear to both of our hearts. I mean, he's got Cal Ripkins jersey behind him. And I was a great Cal great Cal Ripken fan. But I I was born to a coach. My dad was a high school phys ed teacher. He was a basketball coach, he coached everything. Um one of my first dreams was I I wanted to go to college and play, play basketball in college and I'm and be in the NBA. Um, he got his PhD from Ohio State when I was 10, and we met John Havelchek, came over to borrow a hammer from him. And I was like, John Havelchek, I mean, his shoulders seemed like they were like wider than the room. He was about an inch taller than my dad. He was 6'7, my dad was 6'6, but he was just huge, and I was like, oh my gosh, I want to be like him. So, you know, sports was sports was always near and dear to my heart. Um, I played for a national championship high school basketball team at Damatha High School with Morgan Wooten, and I learned I learned so much. I've always had a coach. And in 2020, when things started to shut down, my wife and I had we actually we I'll back up. We started a business in 1986 when we were 26 years old. We built it, we sold it for three and a half million dollars in 2009. We got into the real estate business here and there, and we always had multiple streams of income. And in 2020, when when things got a little wanky, we were like, all of our income's going away. Our tenants aren't gonna be able to pay rent. The people paying, we Duane taught me the note business where we owned mortgages, and you know, he was my mentor for a while. And I was like, oh, these people paying mortgages are not gonna be able to pay their bills because they can't go to work, and what's gonna happen? And I picked up Think and Grow Rich Again by Napoleon Hill. Yeah. One of my one of my one of my favorite books. And and I started, I started studying it. It said, read it three times and then put it to work. And I was like, okay, I'm gonna do that. And then somehow on the internet, it must have known I was reading it, because I saw a webinar that Bob Proctor was doing. And, you know, because Google knows everything you're thinking. So it fed me Bob Proctor. And his copy of the book, he had it rubber banded together. And he's like, I've been studying this book since 1961. I was like, oh my gosh, I was born in 1960. He probably knows more than I do. So so I decided to coach with Bob. Um, Bob's partner, Sandy Gallagher, um, she became a partner of his. She actually wrote thinking into results. She designed the program to take to corporate America and teach corporate America. She was one of the most successful um uh banking attorneys in the country. She did billion-dollar deals all the time. She took Bob's knowledge and put it into thinking into results. And I started studying as like, oh my gosh, I need to, I need to share this with people. It's my time to share. And that, you know, I shared it with Dwayne, and that's kind of how Huddle for Success came about. Masterminding is one of the biggest things that they teach. And I've always been part of a mastermind since 2000 and oh no, and in my first businesses. So masterminding is really important.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah, and I think I shared with you guys that my coaching certification that I went through was Mary Morrissey, which works, she works with Bob Proctor. So I I'm assuming that there's probably some similarities in there, you know, as far as the way they're thinking. Um but I I remember, you know, even in all the years I was in network marketing, I knew about Bob Proctor because I it kind of trickles down, you know, you had Zig Ziggler and then sort of all um, interestingly enough, you know, I it's so funny how I think life is sometimes because I don't know if I shared this with you, but when I moved here to Dallas, I was still in Mary Kay. I actually left Mary Kay during COVID. I was with him for 22 years and talk about reinvention. Like I sort of kind of like you did, Dwayne, I sort of had to go through this whole like, how do I re-identify myself? Because that's all I had known was network marketing in the Mary Kay world, you know. But interestingly enough, during that whole process, I met um Brian Flanagan. And Brian Flanagan used to travel with Zig Ziggler on stage. And funny enough, I actually had him on my podcast and I got to do a presentation with him, and it was really interesting because I remember somebody coming up and going, You held yourself up really good up there with Brian Flanagan, you know, like because he had been on stage with Zig Ziggler for many, many years. And um, and so I just think it's interesting how things in our lives sort of kind of work out. Like you guys talk about how you realize he was, you know, Dwayne's dad or was your the or the principal, like all these connections in life and how things sort of kind of evolve as we go along.

Duane Gibbs:

See, my my dad was corporate. He was an accountant for Coca-Cola Company for 24, 22, 24 years, something like that. And I remember at 17 years of age, I came home from school and he was sitting on the couch and he was completely upset. And I, and my mom wasn't there, and I didn't know something happened to my mom, what's going on. And he let me know that, you know, Coca-Cola, they they let him go after so many years. And that's what corporate America does. And not only him, but other people they replaced out, don't have to pay out the high salary. Uh, they can go still get their pension down the road, but now you have to go find something else. And I knew at that moment that I I did not want somebody to dictate one when I was done. Number one. And number two, I wanted to not be valued of what they thought I was worth. I always wanted to do to do more, be more. And I grew up around aunts, uncles, cousins that always said, hey, you'll never amount to anything. You'll, you know, it just was very negative as uh growing up in that manner. And I just fueled from playing sports and teamwork and buddies and foxhole brothers and people holding each other accountable for. And and I think that sports really carried on through my life that made me very competitive. I I mean, competitive of to run to the mailbox first to get, you know, the mail. I mean, that's to the extreme, but you know, that was my mindset. And I'll never forget when I moved my mom and dad up. My dad was sitting in my office one day and I was talking to a student, and I got off the phone and he had tears in his eyes. And I said, Well, what's the matter? And he goes, How in the world did you know all this? How do you how do you know? How can you help? I mean, I heard this lady when you got off the phone and she was just ecstatic of what you were able to to give her. And he goes, I never taught you that. I mean, I I and I said, But you did. You were the core of what really built me because as much as I wanted to be you and emulate you and and and was so proud to be your son, I didn't want to go down that road that you went down. And so you instilled in my head of always, hey, go to work 40 hours a week, 30 years with the company, and everything will be okay. And it wasn't. It wasn't for you, so I assumed it wasn't gonna be for me.

Jennifer:

Right.

Duane Gibbs:

And I just felt like I needed to do something different, and the only person that was gonna help me was me. And so listen, it wasn't easy. I I failed way more than I succeeded, and I always tell everybody, listen, I don't know everything about everything, but I can tell you a different million ways of how not to do something, and I think that's that's way more valuable than my success because I can it's looking through a different set of lenses to where I can minimize the risk, but yet way maximize the rate of return, whether it's in life or in business.

Mark Bruce:

We've got a Zig Ziggler quote in our book right ahead of the chapter, cultivating resilience. And it's it's Zigzed, it's not how far you fall that counts, it's how high you bounce.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah, yeah. A lot of good takeaways from them. Yes. I, you know, it's yeah, it's interesting. And and I you said something really great too when you were talking, you know, about your your dad, Dwayne, that um, yeah, I think so much of I feel like, you know, when I have these conversations with different people that are in this space where they're helping, all of us are really, that's what we do, want to help other people, prevent some of the not do some of the same things that we do, or pick up on something that we think has really been significant in our lives. But I think so much of, you know, like we mentioned your dad, and and I think it's interesting how we pick up on those things that they that we look at something that happened, we go, that's not what we want to recreate. And so we set out to try to change those patterns, you know, and do different things. And so I think it's good. I I think what's really neat, unique too about you two is that you both came from very different, you know, because I look at you, I hear your story, Dwayne, and I think, oh, your story's kind of like a little bit like mine, like where I grew up in a home where we didn't have a lot of encouragement, you know, and not that my parents were bad parents or they just grow away. That's right.

Duane Gibbs:

They were different. These are my mother.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah.

Duane Gibbs:

Go ahead.

Jennifer Loehding:

And they didn't get it, you know. And so when we were growing, that's why I went into Mary Kay. That's why I did Mary Kay for someone, because when I went into Mary Kay, I was a really shy, insecure, like I couldn't even get up and talk in front of people. I hated talking, you know, but I learned so many great leaderships in there. And I'm so thankful to this day that I went in there because had I not done that, my kids' lives, my children's lives would have been very different. They wouldn't have had the skills they had today to because you know, just like I was telling the guy I was talking to this morning, I had a conversation with my son, I think last week. He sends me a text. He's a chef at a chain here in Dallas called Whiskey Cake, and he he makes really good monies on salary, but he was mad about something. And I said to him, I said, I put it in text. I said, Sean, remember it's a win-win. If they win, you win. Everybody wins. That's your objective today, because I know how he is, he's a hothead. And so I was trying to prevent the chaos, you know. But I'm just saying that I think, you know, every day that those leadership skills I learned were in that, you know, came out of that environment that I purposely went and put myself in. And then see, Mark, I see your story, and I'm like, okay, you grew up with a coach dad. So you had that, that, you know, that mindset of that instilling that coach, you know, like that team and stuff. And so I think what's really unique about you two is that this is where the team comes in, is that you guys bring different perspectives, which is really good because you have a wider reach. You have the ability to really come together and tap into the different sides because you're gonna get people definitely, you know, like you, Dwayne, that are gonna come in that are gonna be one, you know, that are gonna have this background. And then Mark, you've got the people that are gonna be the understand the team and all of that that came from that perspective. And so I think it's a great, it's a great mesh.

Duane Gibbs:

You know, in '89, I started investing in real estate, 89.90, and I learned from a book about this size, little book, little book, and it talked about how to go out and buy real estate one more piece of property. So you own one for yourself, go out and just buy one more. And I the guy that lit he lived in Florida near, because I moved when I graduated high school. Uh, I moved to Florida. I moved to Southwest Florida, and and when I moved there, uh my background was construction. I was a Mason and build houses younger. And so, again, that entrepreneur, and that's what I wanted to do. But when I moved to Florida, I said, you know what? I'm gonna start investing in real estate. I was in a great market, Southwest Florida. It was the old, hey, if you have money, come to Southwest Florida. I have swampling to sell you. Well, the joke was on the people that didn't invest because that swampland turned into gold, you know? And so I went out and found a piece of property because I read this book. It said to do it, so I did because I was so ignorant I had no idea what to do. I went to the bank, started a Passbook signature savings account where I gave them $1,000, and then it was my own money. They held it, took a credit card, went and bought uh materials. For this house, I did a contract on the deal, seller funding. So I put all the expenses on a credit card in hopes that when the bill comes in, I'd roll it to another card and another card. And that's what I did until I locked down the first deal and I had no idea. And then after I started doing a couple, I was like, man, I can do more. But my but you talked about your parents thinking, I'm 58. And so my dad was always, oh man, that's risky. I don't, you know, and he came from that was his upbringing, you know. Um, and you know, my dad died almost five years ago and he passed away at 84. But it was, okay, dad, listen, if I own real estate, they've been owning it and renting it for a million years now.

Jennifer:

Right.

Duane Gibbs:

Just because Dwayne has a piece of property doesn't mean that they're not going to pay. I know, but I don't want you to get risky. And then after a while, he goes, That's my boy, he does real estate, he does pretty good. And I've done himself.

Jennifer Loehding:

I know. Parents have to protect, you know. Oh, yeah, there's no question. And that's a different generation, too, because my parents are my parents are in their 70s now, and it's a different, you know, I'm in my early 50s, and so it's just a different generation because they they grew up very differently. So their mindsets are different. And it's so interesting because, you know, then you got you go all the way down. Speaking of generations, you go all the way down to the kids, or they're very different. And my kids like are like, why are you being like this? So be optimistic, you know. I have to I have to catch myself, though. I'm not gonna lie, because parenting teaches you a lot. And I do have to catch myself sometimes because I'll be saying, Jennifer, you're being scarcity mindset right now. What would you say to somebody else that is in that position if they came to you and they said this about their kid? What would you be saying to them? You know, and so we have to remind ourselves about this.

Duane Gibbs:

You put yourself in timeout a lot, don't you?

Jennifer Loehding:

Sometimes I do. Sometimes I do. I'd be like, uh, but I'll be like, yes, if Jennifer, you're going to timeout. No, speaking of witch timeout. I joke about this, how my mom used to put me in the corner when I was a kid because I didn't say sorry, and then she'd get tired of looking at me and just tell me to leave. She'd be like, that kid's too stubborn. Get out of this room, go to your room.

Duane Gibbs:

That's so funny.

Jennifer Loehding:

It's great. It's great. I want to talk about the sports thing because obviously this is a big part of what you're doing. And and obviously, you know, when I think about a coach, right? Because obviously people in business or wife or whatever, we all have the choice. We can do this thing alone. Like we can go through or we can come and get a coach, you know, and work with somebody. And and I think, you know, I I would love to hear your perspective on this, where this sports talk is coming into this and what your take is on this, and then the coaching space.

Mark Bruce:

Yeah, well, we we both love sports and and sports every sport is a great it's a it's a great example of a business. I mean, business and sports are almost identical. If if you're good at sport, I mean athletes have to take direction, they've got to work together with teammates. Um and even even golfers, even tennis players, they have coaches.

Jennifer:

Yeah, you know, I agree.

Mark Bruce:

And and you can learn you can actually it was a there was a quote I heard. Oh, how much would you pay to take five years off of your off of your off of your learning process? How much would that be worth to you to take five years off of your learning process? I mean, that's why I that's why I've always had a coach is I want to find somebody who's five years ahead of me that can help me get there faster than I could on my own.

Jennifer:

Because you're smart. Yeah, well, and and sports I mean sports are the same thing.

Mark Bruce:

You you want the coach the coach has experience and he he he walks you through how to practice, how to how to start out slow, practice, get faster and faster and faster until you just do things subconsciously and you you react.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah. No, I agree with you. I mean that and that's funny because I'm the same way too. Like I I feel like I've had mentors because and we had them obviously when I was in America forever. I took, you know, didn't even we didn't even think anything of it because we just had mentors, you know. But even as I've come out on the other side, like at the very moment I don't, but I pretty much most of the time have somebody in my space that I'm conferring with, you know. But I think sometimes too, I I I'm of the thinking like you that, you know, all athletes have coaches. So why do people think that when they're going through something or they need help? And and sometimes it's like, you know, Dwayne was saying, you get stuck, you know, sort of you're you're having to make this transition and you don't really know what you don't know, like right? You don't see what you don't see. And sometimes it takes a fresh set of eyes coming in and looking at something and just laying a different perspective on something or just saying something differently that maybe you just you know, you've seen it that way, and and they come in and they say, Well, what if you tweak this one small thing? And you're like, Oh, why didn't I think of that? You know, yeah.

Mark Bruce:

The coaching pro the coaching program that Dwayne mentored me in, it was a $40,000 coaching program. And it, I mean, it saved us hundreds of thousands of dollars by getting us stopping us from making mistakes and getting us to the next level faster.

Duane Gibbs:

Yeah, you know, what a lot of people don't realize is that everyone has a coach.

Jennifer Loehding:

Right.

Duane Gibbs:

And I mean that nine to five, they have a coach. Their boss is a coach.

Jennifer:

Yes.

Duane Gibbs:

So yes, hopefully. And so so you find so many people that don't like their job. They don't like their job because at the end of the day, they really don't they don't have the right coach. Right. And so most corporations now what they do is they do a test going in to find out what you're good at. Okay, I'm a salesperson. Or are you really a salesperson or are you more of someone that is in operations? Are you an ops person? So a lot of corporate companies now find out what you're good at so they can put you in the right field. You know, there's sports, there's look at uh look at Cal Ripkin, for instance. You know, Iron Man, but Cal always played third base. He started out playing third base, and and so what happens is they felt that he would be better utilized as a uh as somebody that played shortstop. Well, he became a Hall of Famer. He, you know, he was an Iron Man. He he that was his position. So even though he wanted to play that position, that wasn't where he was best served at. And I think so many people go through life of not knowing they may have a passion for it, but maybe they're working for the wrong company. Maybe they need to transfer companies. Yeah. And and myself, you know, I was done with what I was doing because I was burned out from it, but I still wanted to coach. I still wanted to help people. So I just needed to do a paradigm shift. And now I just said, you know what, uh too long working for a company. Let me do it on my own because I know that with all the people, tens of thousands of people that I helped over the years, let me do it in how I think should be done. And so I don't have to follow that example that a company gives. Let me focus on what I know was sitting in the trenches. I'm that guy that was up here, but I want to go down into the trenches because now I could say, hey, I I know, I know exactly what you need. I could save time, I could help you save money, and I can make things a lot better for you the second half of your life. Mark and I talk about right now it's halftime. It was halftime for me two years ago, knowing I needed to do something different because I still had a passion for what I wanted to do.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah.

Duane Gibbs:

And it just I just need I just needed a different ending. That's all.

Jennifer Loehding:

Well, and you know what, to your point, I think too, there's a couple things I say about that. But one, there's this idea, too, that like you can't make this transition after a certain age thing, right? And I don't know how many 50-year-olds, like people in their 50s and 60s and 70s, make these transitions, right? And so, yes, you can. You're an example of this. Both of you, you can make these transitions in any time, right? And so there's there's just so much takeaway from all of this that you were saying. But yeah, I think, I think with everything, it's this it's this decision, it's this process and this decision that you have to want to have somebody help you. Like you got to make this decision that you want to because it's it it otherwise you just kind of stay in the same pattern and you don't know what you don't know, right? So you've got to be open, I think, to having this person come in and helping you. And I think you guys are a great example just because you're blending, like I said in the very beginning, blending these different styles and coming together with all of your experience. And so you can lend in or lean into these guys and present. And I just I love the sport thing too, because I think that's a really um important half. And I want to say something about the doing what we think we should be doing, because I think that's kind of where you were going. We get stuck in this doing what we think we're good at. So they hire the same way. And I really I just had this conversation with my husband Friday night on the way to dinner about how we hire. You think about how people hire, they hired a resume, not attitude, right? Like they hire for somebody who fits the specific job. And so I think that goes the same as in outside of like think about us. We think we should be doing something because maybe we were told that that's what our skill set is, but maybe that's not even really our passion. But maybe we just need to figure out how to take what it is we're good at and find the passion and pair them up, right? It's like Gary V talking about you may have a passion for music and you may never be the musician, but maybe you work with the musician, so you're around music. So now you're still getting to be around your passion and your excitement, but you figure out how to bridge all that together, you know? I think we do. We get so locked into what we think things should be. And that's why I think a fresh set of eyes sometimes can come in and ask the questions that can actually maybe put something in a different light or perspective, and then we go, Oh, maybe, just maybe I'm supposed to be doing coaching, but in a different capacity, you know, maybe something this way.

Duane Gibbs:

We're here on this earth very short. You know, I would tell all my students that I'd work with there was a million years before us, and there's gonna be a million years after us. Right. The average person lives to be 75 years of age. 75. That's that's that's very short of a of a lifespan. And so to go on and not do something that you want to do, I agree. Um, that's you don't have to finish it. I mean, yeah, I mean, it's just I mean, you owe it to you owe it to yourself. I mean, everybody's capable. Everybody's capable. And if you think that you're not, look at all these, God bless all these men and women that fight for us, that lose body parts, and that they're doing Olympics, or they're they're, you know, helping people spread a message about why it's important to go to the military, and here they have they've they've lost the limb, or you know, it's just everybody's capable of doing something. You owe it to yourself to to find what that is, you know.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah, I want to ask you guys like something like a little takeaway here. Like if we want to, because I I mean, I obviously know some things that I would say, right? But I would hear from you guys. Like, what would be something if you had somebody right now and they were comedy and they're just like, I'm stuck. I'm just like frozen between do I stay at my corporate job, do I start this new adventure just in that frozen state? What would be maybe like one thing you would say right now, maybe something to write down, something think about something to do that maybe would help kind of tip them into that next space, other than to get a coach get a coach they like if if if you could uh if you were guaranteed success in anything you were going to do, what would you do? Oh, that's good. So think about that question. Think about that question. Yeah, yeah, that's a good thing.

Mark Bruce:

If you were guaranteed that you could not fail, what would you do?

Jennifer Loehding:

You know what's so funny? We used to say something like a variation of that in Mary Kay, believe it or not. Because you know what we'd get to think of it.

Duane Gibbs:

I believe it. High achievers. I know a lot of high achievers in Mary K. And so I'm gonna tell you that that um I appreciate you because you're you're a go-getter, you're someone that has tons of energy, and to know that you were successful in Mary Kay, if someone says that you weren't, I wouldn't believe it. I yeah, I believe. I mean, because your mentality, your mindset, your positivity, um, it bleeds success. And so I would, I would they have they have all my respect because they they work hard, they train hard, and you know they they go about and spread a message of marketing, of belief, of what they believe they can help somebody get to. It has nothing to do with the makeup. It has all to do with it has all to do with the mindset and what they can do with that mindset. And so uh my hat's off to you.

Jennifer Loehding:

Thank you. Thank you. But you that question was good. That was a really good question, by the way.

Mark Bruce:

Yeah, my my my dad was an Amway distributor, and he's the one that because of Amway, I was introduced to Zig Ziggler and Bob Proctor and Tom. I just all these great minds. And and I actually I heard Bob Proctor did an interview with Jim Rohn, and they were both asked what they would what they would do if they couldn't do what they were doing.

Jennifer:

Yeah.

Mark Bruce:

And Jim Rohn said, Well, I do real estate, and Bob said, I'd be in multi-level marketing because you can sky's the limit. You can do what you can.

Jennifer Loehding:

It's funny, that's the one thing I will say, because I'm not, I'm obviously no longer in there. And and it's interesting, like, you know, um, I I love what I do, don't get me wrong. I love, but I do sometimes miss the um that team thing. You know what I mean? That being accountable, and then okay, at the very there are parts of it that I don't miss, but I do miss that part of the the the being accountable and the people being accountable because it was that whole, like you guys have been talking about throughout this, that whole team thing of being a unit, like being together and and then you're really you're working together and having influence and all of that good stuff. So, yes, there's a lot of uh great takeaways from that. But I will tell you, you know, when like I said, when I went in that at the very beginning, I was not the same person today that I was, you know, back then. I've changed a lot, but and a lot of it was mine, it was really, you know, I I've said this before, even in like the first 17 years of my time with Mary Kay, I had done very well. I mean, I earned cars in the company, but I still was struggling a lot with the overall. I I don't even know how to put like the overall, I guess maybe my view of perception of how things go in my life. And so interestingly enough, the episode that I recorded before I talked to you guys, we were talking about this difference between like gap and gain with people and how we measure things by gain, achievement, right? And then the gap, or excuse me, the gap is that. And then the gain becomes where we actually can start finding gratitude, which is all the things Bob Proctor talks about, Mary Morrissey. And so once I learned to make that shift, it was probably after I went through the whole Mary Morrissey program, make that shift, it really changed my perspective around a lot of things. And I had someone ask me the other day, just out of the blue, like, are you are you happy? And I was like, Yeah, you know, for the most part, I'm pretty content. I mean, I'm not gonna say it's been a bed of roses in my whole life because it's never has, right? And there's still ongoing things. I have adult children, there's always things going on, right? But I think overall, if you ask me, for in most cases, yes, I like my life. I I get to do what I want to do. I enjoy the conversations I have on my podcast. I feel like I get to create impact and influence, and you know, and I and I will tell you, I love my autonomy. That's like my big thing. I love my freedom, you know? And so I agree with everything you've said on this because I think life is too short to sit in a in a career or in a situation that you just desperately despise every single day.

Duane Gibbs:

What I find people have the biggest, their biggest want is I want more time.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah.

Duane Gibbs:

It's you you hear people say, I want, I want more money. Well, listen, money is a result, not a cause. Unless you find that tree that is producing money, and I don't know anybody, I've never met anybody, and I've met tens of thousands of people that have not found the money tree yet.

Jennifer Loehding:

So we were on the congression.

Duane Gibbs:

Yeah, they found a vehicle of how to get the money, but money is a result, not a cause. And so I always oppose the question is what is it that you want, but it can't be money? And 99% of the time they say, I want more time.

Jennifer Loehding:

Time. Yeah. Yeah.

Duane Gibbs:

I want more time. That's one thing you can't buy. You can adjust what your day-to-day looks like. And not only that, but the second biggest thing is I want somebody that I can talk to, somebody that I could bounce my ideas off of. I don't have time to make more mistakes. I need to make sure my thinking is correctly. And so, you know, if you're the only person in the room, you're the smartest person in the room. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah.

Duane Gibbs:

I mean, and it's, you know, Mark and I talk about all the time. Well, if we had to pay for Zoom by the minute, we'd be broke just because we we talk four or five hours a day every single day in collaborating because I'm in North Carolina, he's in Maryland, and we constantly work at our business. We were working at our first quarter, beginning of second quarter in September of last year. So, I mean, it's constantly evolving. We talked about uh this morning um about a new program that we're getting ready to release uh the 19th of this month. And so um we're excited about that. We're we're giving away two scholarships that we want to be able to find two people that are looking to make a change in their life, and we want to be able to take them from beginning to end for 12 months and just get and just give it to them and give them just to say, hey, it's not gonna cost you a dime. But you know, we're looking at it, it's it's it's an expense that we're gonna say, hey, we're gonna take, we're gonna use our time, and we are we're looking to give back and help. Our goal this year is to help 240 people, but two of them starting the new year, we're gonna we're gonna um give out two scholarships to people that uh are wanting to make a change in their life. And so I would say stay tuned, follow us on social media, because we're gonna be pushing it out on the 19th.

Jennifer Loehding:

Awesome. And well, and that'll be good too. It'd be a great testimony too when you work these, you know, work somebody through a couple people through that and they can actually see it and you'll have the proof and be like, hey, here's the thing. Now I know Bob Proctor's stuff is good. I know I'm like I said, I did my stuff through Mary Morris. It was pretty, pretty thorough. And interestingly enough, when I when I took that, I didn't really anticipate using it for anything. I really did it for just to do it for myself. And then I went through and I was like, this is really good. Like it made me in some ways, it was like the part of the Mary Kay I didn't get, like the part I missed, like because there's a lot there. They do really well training, but there was just a little piece of that that wasn't quite there that I got to pick up here. And and a lot of it was the deep, the deep trench work stuff that I think so many people miss. And I don't, and I'm sure like you guys, like I I tell people, you know, I feel like coaching is sort of like therapy. So a lot of the work I do is very intense. It's it's not band-aid type stuff because I really try to help people get and that's and all of this work, you probably see if you're following the show or if you listen to the dialogue, you hear like, but there's no shallow, there's very seldom any shallow conversation because I just don't really welcome it, you know? So um, that's why we love everybody on here. But this is great. I would love to know from both of you because I think this is just kind of a fun, a fun thing, maybe like, because we talked about mistakes in here, like maybe something that you feel like you had that really kind of turned into a good thing in your business, like maybe something in your business where you made a mistake and you're like, hey, this actually panned out. Kind of like when you said hearing your dad tell the story of this happened to him, and then you took that and flipped that around and said, I don't want to do this, I'm gonna do this. So maybe something that happened that you remember that helped you succeed.

Mark Bruce:

Oh, you're gonna throw me under the bus first. I'll go it's better. If you've got yours, go ahead. I'm trying to think of I'm trying to think of which one I want to talk about.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah, so I know there's a lot, right?

Duane Gibbs:

So I would say investing. You know, when I first started out real estate investing, I again I learned by a book and I spent money that I I did too much. I put too much money out. And I made money on my first deal, but it was very little. It was very little. And I think because I went into it blindly and I just needed I needed more information. If I would have had a coach and uh later on in life, I went to go work for this guy that educated people and how. How to invest in real estate. And so then I learned a lot more. So I tried to put the cart in front of the horse on something that I wasn't aware of. Even though I know I wanted to do it, I put the cart in front of the horse, and then well, later on, 30 years in the industry of educating people on that, a big difference. And so early off, I found out a lot of mistakes that I did. I should have done, you know, I just should have done things differently, that it cost me a lot of money up front. And I learned on the second deal a little bit, and the third deal and the fourth deal. And then I got connected with a partner, and he and his wife handled the property management side of it, and they stole a bunch of money from me. They were saying that people weren't there. So I learned about partnership. You know, I I thought he was a legitimate person, he and his wife, and hey, it was a husband and wife, and I thought everything was good there. And, you know we we did a lot of things together, but you know, I went out to one of the properties before and they said it was vacant. Well, it wasn't vacant. I mean, somebody was there. They were like, what are you talking about? I'm making my payments. And I was told, oh, well, you know, nobody was there. And so I started checking on more and more properties, and even though they were saying it was vacant, it wasn't. And so I just didn't do a lot of eye dotting, T-crossing along early stages in that because that wasn't something I didn't know how to invest in real estate. My background was construction, my background was sales, and I really did know, but I knew I wanted to do something different and be and create another multi-stream of income. And I think that if I would have slowed it down a little bit and had somebody give me more education, because listen, we can read all the books, all the books, and everything that you want all day long, and the books are going to give you so much information, but that book did not none of these books have ever talked back to me. I had a question. Okay, you said on page 16 this, what's that mean? Well, I have no eye, I mean, I never got an answer. And so from that, you know what I mean? I mean, it goes on to the next paragraph or the next page where it really didn't give me that answer. And I think on an early off beginning, if I would have had somebody talk me through it, I think that I would have made fewer fewer mistakes. I I don't regret my mistakes. I was able to gain and move on from them, but early on, I think if I would have been able to change something, and let's face it, investing in real estate's it's not cheap.

Jennifer Loehding:

Right.

Duane Gibbs:

So it was an expensive, it was I I put myself in an expensive position to where I wish I would have had a mentor early on.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah. Well, I get I get think like I said, and the beauty of that is it gives you the now the the voice to to know what not to do. And you can stare at that. That's we all have to make, especially if we're stubborn, we all have to make those those.

Duane Gibbs:

And I'm stubborn.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah, we all have to make those few, you know, head hitting hit the wall a few times, maybe ten times, and then eventually you'd be like, dude, I have a red dot on my head stop hitting the wall. Okay, we're done.

Jennifer:

Yeah, for sure.

Jennifer Loehding:

I've done that a few times, so I'm telling you the story. I hear that. I know that.

Mark Bruce:

Yeah.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah.

Mark Bruce:

So it's even okay. It's even okay if you're older, because you know, my wife and I sold our sold our business in 2000 in 2009. We s we sold it. That was that was a that was a good thing at the time. We decided to buy a weight loss franchise about a year and a half after that, and I hired an attorney to help me do due diligence. Turns out I did not do enough due diligence because the weight loss program, the way the franchise was set up, was illegal in the state that I bought in Maryland.

Jennifer Loehding:

Oh my goodness.

Mark Bruce:

Because because in Maryland you cannot have a doctor work for you, and that was part of their model, was that the doctor actually worked for the franchise. So then they had to read and we ended up not doing it. And that's what led me to partner with a with a mastermind partner and join the note business after I met Dwayne.

Jennifer:

Okay.

Mark Bruce:

And had that had that worked out, I might not have ever met Dwayne. And Huddle for Success wouldn't have existed, and Equity First Funding, my company that buys and sells mortgage notes, wouldn't have existed. So it really it really hurt when that $150,000 that we paid for the franchise went away.

Jennifer Loehding:

Oh, yeah. God, that'd be awesome.

Mark Bruce:

But, you know, it led to something much better.

Jennifer Loehding:

Right. And you always hear like, you know, like stories like that. And that's the thing. It's it's and see, and that's where I guess it's like you you earn to what we talked about, kind of find that silver lining and that stuff. You know, like I had partnered, I always tell this story about how I had partnered up with this firm. I won't mention any names on it, but I partnered up with this firm for a very short period of time. And I was gonna do, they were working with larger size businesses doing leadership coaching. And I was gonna come in and do basically the leader, like help with some of the leadership coaching. But it ended up being that we just never got there. The goalpost kept changing. And after a while, we ended up just sort of kind of parting ways. But I was really, after that happened, I got really bitter about it because I had I had given up all my coaching stuff and started working with this company. And then they just kept changing the goalposts. And then I basically could walk out. This is right in the middle of COVID. But the interesting thing was, is during that time, I had read a lot of really good books. I had read, like, you know, Stephen Covey's book. I had read Five Dysfunctions of a Team, Spin Selling. I read all these really good books that I had not ever heard about, and they were instrumental in helping me, like when I was trying to build out my podcast. I mean, there was just a lot of pieces of it I took away. And so I look back at that now and I think, ah, yeah, that was kind of a sucky period of time. I probably wouldn't work with them again, but I gained a lot of really good information. And also in that, I realized whom I would and would not work with. I learned about a lot about the type of people that I wanted to work with. I had a very passive, there was a very passive aggressive person in the group and and cutthroat passive aggression. I was not used to that because I didn't have that in Mary Kay. And I realized I don't ever want to work with a covert narcissist or a passive aggressive person ever again. It doesn't work. If you can't state the problem that you're having and we can't communicate, we don't need to be working together, you know? So I learned a lot. And that's what I think is beautiful when you have those kind of hard situations is that you can, you know, get the takeaway that you need and use it to help you and help other people with it. So good on you. Yeah, good stuff. So one last question I want to ask you before I ask you, where where do we send all these people? I would love to know, and I feel like if we summed all this up, you've already said it in so many words, but I would love to know like a final sentence on how you define success. What does that mean to you?

Mark Bruce:

Success means something different to every single person. Think think think and grow rich. When you when you hear that title, you think of money. Right, right. And you know, to me, while money makes life easier at times, but that it it's about family, it's about love, it's about my relationship with with my Lord and Savior. And you know, that success to me is when I can sleep at night and I know that my family's taken care of.

Jennifer Loehding:

I love that. Thank you.

Duane Gibbs:

So I would say success to me is being able to have a choice at whatever it is. So having the choice of getting up and going to your nine to five, or hey, you know what, I deserve a vacation and we're able to go because we don't have the responsibility. Hey, I want to start my own business. Um, whatever that is, right, a choice, just like it it's as easy as getting up in the morning, and I I have a dog, I have a bulldog, and so I love her with all my heart. And so my choice is every morning to get up, open the door, let her go out and walk around. I live in North Carolina. God's country is beautiful here, and so that's my choice. And so it's I don't have to punch a clock. I I I don't I've never had to punch a clock in my life. Well, I I did when I was 16 years old, and I worked uh as a boy at a at a seafood seafood restaurant, and so obviously I did, but I was always fortunate that I had a choice, and I wasn't listening we all have jobs, but I had a choice of what that was. And so I wish that that everybody that I work with can at the end of the day say, you know what, he allowed me and gave me a vision and a direction to where I could go or I could make my own choices. And so that's what I wish for everybody that we work with. They can walk away saying, you know what, I have a choice. You know, I don't I I I'm able to do something that I wanted to do or I never was able to do, but I had a vision and I had belief that I could. I just didn't know the direction of what where it was gonna take me. But now that I have, I have a choice that I can go do. And so I think that is that defines success.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah. Okay, I'm gonna say I like both of y'all's stories because I think both of those are definitions because I think they're both very good. What's yours? I would say both of y'all, blend of both of y'all's. Mine is autonomy. I like the choice. And I do want to say something about the dog because I don't know why I'm not surprised you have a bulldog, but I have a pit bull. So I'm just saying there's something because those little dogs have their own little saucy personalities, and it takes a saucy personality to put up with a saucy one of them, you know. So I had a we had another pit bull before this one that was more like a bulldog. I I miss that dog. I loved that dog. He was so faithful and loyal to me. He slept by me every night. And it was so funny. My husband would go to take, like with this time, we had three dogs. We had a lab, a Catahula, and this pit bull bulldog. He would all, the other two dogs, the lab and Catahula, would be at the door ready to go for a walk. Crow, that that dog would run through the house and sit right next to me and might plant himself and just sit there like I was gonna protect him. Like he was not going for that walk. My husband would get them all out there, you know, and then once he got out there, he'd be fine. But when he would sit down and frog dog, frog dog. We weren't going anywhere. That dog was done. He would just sit, we ain't moving until he was ready to move.

Duane Gibbs:

She's an English bulldog and she does what the hell she wants to do. She is what I'm saying.

Jennifer Loehding:

That's what I'm saying.

Duane Gibbs:

She has her own mind, but she listens to me. I I uh I'm so grateful. She's my fourth one. Uh they're great dogs. I'll never have another one just because they they'll never be as good as her. Um and and they're I just love them. I've just been so attached to those type of dogs. And fun dogs, yeah. Oh, they're great dogs, great personality, even though they do what the heck they want to do.

Jennifer Loehding:

That well, that's why I said I'd like the prize.

Duane Gibbs:

Very loyal, very loving and loyal. And um, but they have one owner, they'll listen to one person. Anybody else, you get a number.

Jennifer Loehding:

My uh pit bull, we have here, she's more of the like the Staffordshire. It's my husband's dog. She does listen to me when he ain't here, but when he's here, that's her dude, man. They go, they go to the grocery store, he takes her in the car, she rides in the car, the grocery store. All you have to do is say that, man. He she just she totally, but the other one was mine. He was totally my dog, so I get it. So, but no, y'all's definitions of success are great. I agree with both because I'm with you. I think family is important, and I think the freedom to be able, you know, I was fortunate enough that I was, I've been my my kids are all adults now. I was able to be home with them the whole time. I grew up in daycare and stuff because both my parents worked. And so when I had kids, I always wanted to be able to be home with them and have the choice to be a part of their lives. And so, believe it or not, homeroom mom, PTA mom, field trip mom. I was a troop leader for Girl Scouts. I mean, we we did it all.

Duane Gibbs:

And so you had a full schedule, didn't you?

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah, they did. But I also like my freedom, and now I'm in that sort of kind of emptiness or stage. So I just kind of do what I want to do all the time. I'm gonna spoil.

Duane Gibbs:

I love it.

Jennifer Loehding:

I love it. I love it. Someone's like, you gotta be somewhere at eight o'clock. I'm like, dude, I'm up at 4 30, but I don't want to be anywhere at eight o'clock in the morning. No.

Jennifer:

I love it.

Jennifer Loehding:

Yeah, you guys are awesome. So if our audience, I'm sure somebody listening to this is gonna want to get in touch with you. Maybe they want to follow you, maybe they want to inquire about the program. I don't know. What where do we want to send them so they can find you guys?

Duane Gibbs:

So they can just they can go to um huddleforsuccess.com and we have our playbook for life. They can go to huddleforsuccess.com, they can download it for free. If they go to Amazon, they can buy it for $9.99. Uh, if they have uh all our um Kindle, Kindle Unlimited, it's free. They have Kindle, it's free. If they don't have unlimited, then it's $4. Uh and they can email us. Um if they have if somebody has a question and says, Hey, I heard you on a podcast, I have a question about this, or how can you help me here? You can always send an email to info at huddle for success. Either Mark or I will reply and uh we'll schedule a time with you. If if uh you just want to talk, typically what we do is we send out a questionnaire just to get an idea and a direction of where you're at, what you're looking for, and um it it it's simple. It's it's really simple and it's free.

Jennifer:

Yeah.

Jennifer Loehding:

Good deal. We'll make sure too, when we get all the show notes together, we'll get the website in there and that way they know where to find you. So we're pretty good about making sure we get it in there. So it's been part of it. That's awesome.

Duane Gibbs:

You're an awesome host. And uh, we would love to have you on our podcast. Oh, sure. Um, yeah, love that.

Jennifer Loehding:

We we'll carry it, we'll continue the conversation. We'll do some rest. We love it. We love it.

Duane Gibbs:

We'll let you do more, we'll let you do all the talking next time.

Jennifer Loehding:

Y'all did good. It was fun.

Duane Gibbs:

I'll try, I'll try and be quiet.

Jennifer Loehding:

You know what? It's fun when you do these things. Hey, no did really good. I mean, because it's not always easy navigating more than one on a, you know, but you guys were very polite, so you did really good because it, you know, I'm I very seldom do this. I had one time, it was funny, I had one time where I had the guests and the agent was in like sitting in the thing, and I was like, what do I do with this? Like, I got just this other person kind of sitting in there, you know. When I finished it, I took her off the screen. She wasn't in the deal, but she wanted to sit through the thing, and I'm like, okay, this is interesting. So but y'all did very, y'all did very good today. So I want to commend you on that.

Duane Gibbs:

So thank you, Jennifer.

Jennifer Loehding:

Awesome. And thank you for all your wisdom and knowledge nuggets.

Duane Gibbs:

Thanks again, Jennifer.

Jennifer Loehding:

Absolutely. We do want to say to the audience, of course, we appreciate you and love you. Thank you for tuning in today. We hope you found this episode both informative and inspiring. And as I always say, if you did, you know what to do. Like, share, comment, so we can keep sharing all this fabulous content with you. And as I always say, in order to live the extraordinary, you must start. And every start begins with a decision. You guys take care, be safe, be kind to one another, and we will see you next time.

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